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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMARCH 21,1984_2 CITY COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS ARE TAPE RECORDED AND ON FILE IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK I INVOCATION PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL 25:0902 M I NUT E S CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA and the ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY REGULAR MEETING MARCH 21, 1984 The City Council of the City of Arcadia and the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency met in a regular session at 7:30 p,m" March 21,1984 in the City Hall Council Chambers, Rev. David Nicosia, Associate Pastor, Emmanuel Assembly of God Jack David Fry, Los Angeles Fireman PRESENT: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski Councilman Haltom Councilman Haltom was excused on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Mayor Lojeski and carried. On MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried Minutes of Adjourned and Regular Meetings of March 6, 1984 were APPROVED, Abstain: Councilman Hannah, ORD, & RES. It was MOVED by Counc ilman Pe 11 egrino, seconded by Mayor Lojesk i READ BY TITLE and carried that all ordinances and resolutions be read by title only. MINUTES APPROVED ~TER CITY COMNI 5S I ON JACK BARNES / /RESOLUTION NO, 5166 ADOPTED JACK DAVID FRY II ~ / ..'.",,~ . ~ , .' 'I, _ -'t)...' ...- ~ c. ~ ~--=- ,..- PRESENTATION On behalf of the City Council, Councilman Dring presented a plaque to Jack Barnes, Sister City Commissioner, in appreciation for his efforts and accomplishments during his term as a member of the Sister City Commission, Mayor Lojeski introduced Jack David Fry, commending Mr. Fry on his exemplary action and unselfish bravery during danger and threat of death when he risked his life to pull injured children from a gunman's fire at the 49th Street Elementary School in Los Angeles, This bizarre nightmare resulted in one death and thirteen injuries. Hr. Fry is a Paramedic with the Los Angeles Fire Depart- ment, The following resolution No. 5166, entitled "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA COMMENDING JACK DAVID FRY" was ADOPTED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None . Counc,lman Haltom 3/21/84 -1- . ' , l. PUBLIC HEARING EIR TRACT 42936 ~I~'~ ,oJ1}) ~ f C R I P T ATTACHED HEARING 2, CDBG FUNDS PROJECT APPROVED I 25:0903 The proceedings of this Public Hearing have been placed in transcript form (attached), Considerable review was held of the Environmental Impact Report for the proposed twenty-three lot subdivision, Tract 42936, and Residential Mountain 83-1: This hearing closed on MOTION by Councilman Pellegrino, seconded by Councilman Dring and carried. It was the consensus of the majority of Council that the Environmental Impact Report should be approved prior to the soJls report, Councilman Dring felt the soils report should be done before the Environmental Impact Report. I SEE TRANSCRIPT In January 1984 the County Board of Supervisors advised that the City would be receiving about $299,094 in Community Development Block Grant Funds (CDBG) for fiscal year 1984-85, The City has been recently advised that the Cost and Project Summary must be submitted by March 19 which has been extended to March 22 in order to allow for this hearing, The staff report dated March 21 listed the projects currently in progress and the status of each. Staff recommended that $270,094 be set aside in a Business Revitalization Project. It will not be known how much will be needed to carry out the goals until the study is completed, The remainin9 $29,000 to be set aside for administration of the CDBG projects, If it is determined later that all of this money is not needed for the implementation of the downtown revitalization study, the City Council may add new projects, Alternative projects would require the approva,l of the Board of Supervisors, It was noted in the report that the Planning Department has checked with the County to ascertain if sound walls along the freeway and/or a historical museum would qualify and has been advised that they would not, Mayor Lojeski declared the hearing open and Mrs, Johanna Hofer, 875 Monte Verde Drive, referred to the need of a fire station in the southern part of the City and asked a legal question regarding 1 iabil ity and the City Attorney said in part that, "First of all, I can never predict with any finality what a court will do. How- ever, the City of Arcadia, like most communities, does provide fire protection service. The decision of how to allocate that service is a discretionary decision and the City is immune from any liability with regard to exercise of its discretion, Furthermore there are other specifiC sections of the California government .code which provide immunity from liability, There would be no liability," Mrs. Hofer stated further in part that a fire station should be built in the southern part of the City before something really of a major nature,happens, Herb Fletcher, 175 W, Lemon Avenue, said in part that a new fire station would require nine new firemen to staff the station and submitted that the response time of an average of five minutes for fire engines and less for the paramedics perhaps those in the southern part of the City are not as bad off as - compared to the entire Los Angeles County, I -2- 3/21/84 .,-;;_.'{,~ ';:-":;~'-:'::' ---'~.;, ..'--~ .~~~' -' -.- T RAN S C RIP T (INSOFAR AS DECIPHERABLE) , RELATING TO PUBLIC HEARING PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE REVIEW OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR A PROPOSED 23-LOT SUBDIVISION, TRACT 42936 AND RESIDENTIAL MOUNTAIN 83-1, PROCEEDINGS AT THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 21, 1984 I , ' lei I ~g. ~ - Marcn ~I, l~b4 EIR review - Bluth development LOJESKI Item No, 1 on the agenda is a Public Hearing - Mr. Bill Woolard. Honorable Mayor, ~Iembers of the City Council the purpose of tonights public hearing is to afford the public the opportunity to comment on the WOOLARD potential environmental impacts and/or mitigation measures which may be associated with the proposed project, and not to discuss the pros and cons of the project itself, Subsequent public hearings on the Tract Map and permit R-M / for this development will be scheduled before the Planning Commission and the City Council. Upon the completion of the public comments the should close the public hearing and may add any additional comments. lowing this public hearing the final Environmental' Impact Report will be prepared for subsequent certification by the Council, Final Environmental Impact Report will contain responses to the environmental questions which are raised by the Planning Commission, the public and the City Council, The City Councils' action in reviewing, commenting and certifying the EIR should not be construed as an action which would commit the City to either approving or denying the subsequent Tract Map or RM permit applications, This concludes my report unless you have any questions, LOJESKI Any questions of staff? This is a public hearing ladies and gentlemen, anyone in the audience desirous of speaking in opposition to this item on the a~enda please come forward and state your name and address for the record, HOFER My.name is Johanna Hofer and I live at 875 Monte Verde Drive, I have read the Environmental Impact ,Report and I believe that soils studies should definitely be incorporated as part of the EIR, Even in our area, which is Monte Verde, which is not a hillside it would have been wise to have made soil studies before homes were built. I refer to the sinking and shifting of earth on a lot of the properties - ours is among them, Also let me - let me remind you of the piece of equipment that fell onto the tennis coul at Foothills Jr, High during the last construction period several years a . , I e I I ~g. j - Ma rc n L I, IOlb4 EIR review - Bluth development I was told by teachers at that school that a lot of shifting dirt kept coming down and they were constantly keeping doors closed to prevent same , from entering the Gym, I believe anyone spending $1,000,000 for a home is entitled to a Soil Study and more importantly any subdivision next to a public or private school should follow strict guidelines to prevent injury and protect the health and welfare of children attending same. I think you have quite a problem there - a lot of problems after reading that EIR and I think the City is going to have to be very deligent to work all these things out and I appreciate this gentlemen has invested a'lot of money buyinq this hillside, but yet the study that you are qoinq to make will involve not only money but lives on this hillside, so I don't think you can give it enough emphasis, Thank you, LOJESKI Thank you Mrs, Hofer, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking in opposition to this item? Please come forward. NEr1RABA My name is Roger Nemraba and I reside at 1648 Highland Oaks Drive. Our home is on the other side of the wash where these homes are going to be built, There is a lot of shifting there, I see it every day as a result of living where I can face it from my back yard. In 'fact there's been landslides in that area as far back as a few years ago - talking to my neighbors who live next door - who's a fireman, We just recently moved there and one of the prime reasons to move there was the back where you had no one living and you had natural wild life and one of the environmental impacts I would consider would be the impact on the wild life there, We have very few areas like that left in Arcadia and I'm afraid that we are going to get rid of one more this way. I understand Mr, Bluth's desires and looks like a nice project but at the same time the last three homes he bUllt which were down the ways a little bit from the hillside that he's I not lookinq at - trucks were going there seven days a week, on Saturdays and Sundays we would wake up at seven in the morning with trucks rolling ., , Tel I Pq, 4 - March ~I, IY84 EIR review - Bluth development and I would hope that if he did build that area that at least we would be able to have some quiet on the weekends, My main concern though is the shifting and the wild life, Thank you, LOJESKI NEMRABA LOJESKI BROCKUS Thank you Mr. Nemraba is that correct. Nemraba, N E M R ABA. Thank you. I'm Ray Brockus at 1309 Standish Street in Arcadia. And while I go alona with these people on the environmental impact, I'd like this Council even though it's a short time for a couple of them - to consider some of these' new candidates for City Council are preaching gun-ho full development for Arcadia, I think they're looking at the dollar signs - not the view fact that these guys are climbina up the hill and then where we going to get , the water - Arizona's going to grab their's and the Peripheral Canal isn't in and are we looking at 'how much development Arcadia can have with our resources to take care of them, And this keeps - development keeps going - somebody's going to wind up on the stick, And I'd want these people to take a close look - I'm not against this particular development as its self but where we're going, Thank you. LOJESKI Thank you Mr. Brockus, anyone else in the audience desirous of s~eaking against this 'item? BURCH My name is Philip Burch, I live at 1800 Highland Oaks Drive. I'm a geologist by education, I've been watching those hills back there for the 20 years since we've been privileged to live in that area, My biggest concern is what's happening to the soil. t1Y opinion - it's very unstable I've been watching the land up there since they hauled all the dirt out from the fill or took the dirt out to build the freeway, If you 00 up there and look at what's happened in these years since that dirts been removed you'll see that the road thats build in there is almost entirely I gone, The hillsides are slopinq down. I'm concerned about this in rela- tion to the - what's happening at the Big Rock area at Malibu. I was out " , LOJESKI , BLUTH LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI I PELLEGRINO BLUTH Tell Pg, 5 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development there two weeks ago - I looked at the soil driving along the road - the Pacific Coast Highway, I'm concerned about the - what might happen if that land is built on the way it's proposed now, as to the liability thats going to be created, If those houses should slide who's going to face the lawsuits, five years - ten' years from now? So not only concerned about the soil being unstable, I'm also concerned about the liability that some- body's going to have to face, Thank you, Thank you Mr. Burch, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking in opposition to this item? Anyone else desirous of speaking in favor of this item on the aqenda? Please come forward, Is the applicant present, would he like to make a presentation or a pitch? Charles P. Bluth, the applicant. I'd like to bring up the - one gentlemen brought up about the trucks seven days a week, I think what he's referring to is the trucks that were running to bring in soil for the Flood Control District, it had nothing to do with our project, They ran for approximately four months almost solid seven days - they brouqht in excess of a million yards, thats directly behind his home. As far as the soil, if the gentle- man's a geologist - I'll be more than happy to give him a book of soil reports, The soil on that hill is some of the best you'll find anywhere in Southern California, And without exception we - we've had erosions where we have natural slopes that are - have tremendous elevation changes and the new project has taken that into account and we're doinq necessary work in order to alleviate that problem in the future. If you have any questions I can answer for you..". Any questions? I have one question. Yes, Councilman Pellegrino, Mr, Bluth where does the liability set on a project like that,..". Ob the developer, '. , PELLEGRINO BLUTH PELLEGRINO LOJESKl BLUTH NEMRABA LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI NEMRABA LOJESKI NEMRABA BLUTH NEMRABA BLUTH DRING lei I ~g, tJ - 1'larCTl ~I. 1~1l'l EIR review - Bluth development ,.,.,in the event"." To the developer? Forever, Forever, Thank you Mr, Bluth. Any other questions? Thank you Mr. Bluth, Than k you, Could I ask one question Is the Council desirous of hearing the question? If it's alright with you, Your Honor, ihats fine - please. Than k you, , Can you come to the microphone so we can catch it on tape? (Speakjng while waJkinn forw~rd) Are you gOing to grade the hillside down to the bottom of the wash and 'what are your plans? . , (Standing away. from ,the microphone) there's. There is two - there is one -.,,'1#-' " - . '... __ . '- canyon that will be graded - a minor one and then where you're seein9 the erosion and where there was slippage in the last two rain storms, that we're doing a fill' and we're putting the necessary terraced drains in, and to assure that it doesn't happen in the future, Will it stay natural or will it look man-made when you get done? Well the first. year it'll look natural and then they - a spin-slope - the landsca~inq takes approximately a year to' get fully grown, and it.is my - what I've recommended to the City - is we do about a 100 foot' buffer down and additional trees and then heavily landscape that fill area. Fill is easy to landscape it's cut - cut slopes that are difficult and in this particular phase of the project there is no cut slopes. You're not going to see any of the types of cuts and elevation - you know to the side of the hill like you had last time. MOVE for closing the public hearing, I " . PELLEGRINO LOJESKI HANNAH ' CITY CLERK DRING HANNAH LOJESKI DRING 'PELLEGRINO LOJESKI DALY LOJESKI DRING PELLEGRINO I LOJESKI CITY CLERK Tell Pg, 7 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development Second, Roll call please. Some 1 ady __wanted to sp~i!.k, Dring, I'm sorry was - Dave is there someone else,.. I'm sorry, I think the lady over there would like to speak, I'm sorry I didn't see your hand, would you 'like - like to come forward", Withdraw. Withdraw my second, Your Honor, The Motion has been withdrawn. Irene Dalyk 1300 N, Oakhaven Lane, Arcadia, I would just like to make a statement in fact - in favor of the wild life up there. I have been up there all during the past year and just recently, and there have been deer and rabbit and there's quite a bit of wild life still up there. This was also seen in the Flood Control area where when I was up there before it was quite low and now it has been filled with dirt, so there has been a lot of work or dirt being brought into that area which has made a great change just within the last few months, I live in that area and I know that I had a lot of rattle snakes and tarantulas and I simply because I no longer bothered with any of it, so favor the project ~ I don't feel that it's a blight, I think it's been a great project and I've enjoyed living where I am simply because I no longer have the problems that I am having that I did have prior to the project being built, Thank you. Thank you Mrs, Daly. Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking in favor of this project? Councilman Dring, t10VE for close of the public hearing, Second, Your Honor. Roll call please. Ok, Dring-yes, Hannah-yes, Pellegrino-yes maam, and Lojeski-yes, " , LOJESKI DRING LOJESKI DRING Tell Pg. 8 - March 21', 1984 .- ErR review - Bluth development Any discussion Gentlemen? Yes - I do. Councilman Dring. Yes; I'm - thank you - I've developed kind of a shopping list of things I'd like to address, hopefully in the EIR. One, I feel that a ~eotechnical study is a must for this particular project, because of its location and its potential impact on others. When a Environmental Impact Report is delivered to us that says, for example, on page 2 - "The thin layer of top soil is probably underlain by granite bedrock". I have a great deal of , difficulty dealing with that, and certainly I would have difficulty appro ving any EIR that deals in probabilities, You'll notice on page 40 it goes on to say "Creation of the proposed cut and fill slopes should be safe if the City's requirements regarding compaction and provision of drainage facilities are followed (always assuming the soils in the area are the same as those in the Whispering Pines Estates)", Now I'm not a geologist but r think that a project of this scope and this impact, for us to consider approving an EIR that makes assumptions of always approving and assuming, and probably would be - not appropriate. Two, I'd like to ~oint out that at least for my sake the tentative tract map is presented on this page 11 in the booklet is too small for me to read or be able to discern the kind of information I'd like to get out of it, I would hope that we could get a larger Tract Map. Three, the 36 foot high water tower, on the highest pad, I think, in my opinion, would be visually unacceptable and,certainly a visual impact is part of an Environmental Impact Report. Four, I think you'll notice on - you needn't ~ook'them up I'll just refer to them - on page 4, where they talk about impacts, they talk about the traffic on - on Oakhaven and Sycamore Roads that results from these and they in - the di scuss ion with adverse, but not si gnificant impacts, they say quote "non1 of these impacts is considered significant," I suggest that possibly is , I " . Tell Pg, 9 - March 21. 1984 EIR review - Bluth development not considered significant in terms of the developers terms, but certainly the residents may well view that impact in a different light and I think they should be addressed. You'll notice on page 6, Land Use - Description of Impact - since the design of the subdivision does not conform to the requirements of the hillside development ordinance. I'm having a great deal of difficulty dealing with an EIR that comes in and presumes that it does - you know that these ordinances will be waived, They make statements in a number of pl aces, on page 14 and page 18, where in fact they say "if we had to conform to the - I'm paraphrasing now - if we have to conform to the hillside ordinances then they would have to cut more mountain out, they already proposed, at least in this EIR, that they'll take approximately 400,000 cubic yards of dirt out and they point out that that's assuming they don't have to meet the ordinances, and certainly if they do, there would be a substantial impact, They're seeking exceptions to our standards and our requirements here within the EIR. .While.:it's put-forth. by staff that this is neither the place nor the time to approve or disapprove the project, and certainly not to approve or disapprove zoning requirements or variances, this whole EIR is based on the assumption that certain re- quirements will be waived, and I find that a faulty assumption and certainly not an acceptable one, I believe, in my opinion, the EIR should be pre- pared to meet City ordinances'and requirements and possibly propose al- ternatives, but for us to look at say - 400,000 cubic yards, do any of you have any idea how many cubic yards would have to be hauled out of they- if we were to .not waivecthat requirement for'.grades-'and-.they'.'had~to"gtade to the extent necessary to meet City Code. We're given a document that doesn't provide us the information and I really wonder why - I mean it's it's certainly not descriptive, and doesn't fill the needs of someone trying to judge the impact, Mrs. Hofer addressed an item which I think should not be overlooked, in the last project done by Mr. ~luth, either " , Tell Pq, 10 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development by facts, his equipment or his drivers, were faulty, and that equipment came down into the school yard. I think as part of the Environmental Impact Report there should be - and in my opinion must be - provisions to guarantee or insure that that - there is no recurrence of that, We in no way can endanger those children and I think that there must be measures taken to protect them during the proposed 18 month impact period, Nowhere in this report do they address the impact on the roads to get the equipment in and out. Now while I recognize Whispering Pines as a private road, getting that equipment in and out is going to have some impac~ on , the surface streets and I don't propose to be a developer or an englneer I don't know what the impact is, I do recall a year or two ago on the Council where the county wanted to haul dirt out of one of its drainage , canals and we had a study - we had some report - some information that indeed, if the county did all that hauling, it would tear up one of the roads they used to haul it on, I have no idea how much, if any, kind of impact would, occur on one of'our streets, but I think we need to look at those too, If some of our streets are going to get torn up, we need to know that impact and figure it in. I for one, find it hard to accept the concept that a minimum ADO ,000 cubic yards can be cut out of the mountain side with - and that that amount of impact on our hillside can be mitigated, It can only, in my opinion, create irreparable harm to Arcadia's natural beauty, Next I'd like to address the fire safety issues, Fire safety, in my opinion, in reading this report. was not addressed in terms of response time, access and egress in case of unstopable fire storms, All we know is that, there's the Whispering'Pines access and that they're gOing to secure as part of this development a right-of-way - I'm sorry I forget the term - but - an easement to get across that -.into Monrovia. It seems to me a fire story regarding the speed of fire storms progress - potenti) progress in that area, and we've had a number of fires there in the past " , , DRING I I e I I I" g , I I - Ma rc n ~ I, I ~!J4 EIR review - Bluth development , and there's no reason to assume that one would not occur in the future. Assuming potential loss of electricity, how much water to combat the hill- side fire potentials and re"., and I believe there's a need for related fire and earthquake disaster plan and evacuation, We're qoing to have a - while it mentions it - that is to say it points out that yes, we have one road in and yes, we could have a problem if fire equipment were trying to get up that single road, and residents were trying to get out. To me it - they haven't mitigated those circumstances they simply mention them and then go onward. I think we have an obligation to look to the safety and potential future of "homeowners there and the EIR is partly where we should address some kind of fire and safety and disaster plan. It mentions that its a - I believe a quarter to half mile away from a fault line, and yet we - it presents this report with no geotechnical study, I - I believe that's critical and should be done before EIR is completed, The water usage - I have memos in - contained in the book here where Bob Berlien, on our Water Department, has stated that - you know - we have an inadequate water supply up there, I then have the EIR that states - you know we'll create 20 pounds per square inch - type of pressure situation and we'll store some 300 plus thousand gallons of water in a proposed tank, I don't know if that's adequate, I don't know if that meets our requirements, it seems to me I've seen studies before, they were colored - remember the green.areas marked out where the water pressure was - we tried to identify the parts of the City where the water pressure was below acceptable. levels, and I believe the minimum we looked at at that time, and maybe Bob - is Berlien here ",.'. Forty yes, was forty pounds per square inch and yet we're proposing a project here that going to allow them to build at twenty pounds per square. To me, I don't think he's mitigated those circumstances, even though he's Tell Pg, 12- March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development proposing individual pumps under the care and maintenance of the individual homeowners to up the pressure to 40 pounds per square inch, Thats certainly the very minimum and I think the" - the question - I don't know - is Jerry Gardner around - whether indeed the fire safety water flow of 25 - 1200 - Jerry what's the flow requirements? Is it 1200 or 2500 pounds per square - GARDNER per minute - gallons per minute? Mayor, members of the Council - Chief Gardner, The fire flow range is DRING GARDNER anywhere from 1500 all the way up to 2500. The requirement that was placed on this particular development was 2000 gallons per minute, based on the' size of the homes and the fire load involved in the development. Are you satisfied that they meet those requirements - I couldn't tell from:" Yes sir, we have applied the minimum standards to this development, we've indicated what would be required to bring it within our minimum standards and the 20 p,s,i. at 2000 gallons per minute, with the - I think its 300,000 gallons, something like that, in storage at gravity in case there is a power failure we can always get that water out, That is adequate, DRING GARDNER DRING LOJESKI DRING Ok. Yessir, Thank you, Bob, did you - may 11 Please, Were you satisfied - you know I'm trying to put all this together - I get a note as from the Fire Department - you know that it wasn't - that there's a concern there and certainly the Water Department exhibits a concern in reading the Environmental Impact results of this proposal, are you satisfied it meets our requirements as far as water? BERLIEN Yessir, it would meet the requirements for fire protection, domestic water supply, with the exception that there are 10 lots where the water pressure is going to be less than 40 pounds per square inch, Now we mitigate thatl have their own separ or address that problem by having each of those lots Tel 1 Pg, 13 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development DRING booster pump to take the pressure, the 30 pounds. that would be there normally and boost it to some higher level ,for - and that would supply them with adequate pressure, How do you feel about that? Is that sufficient? Its a workable solution, it's not ideal, Certainly I'd like to have the BERLJEN 40 pounds or more pressure there all the time, but we can't achieve that. So this is a workable solution - I - it's not ideal but it I think will sure work. Is it - we can't achieve it because we've determined not to create a water tower - I mean - I got the impression that a water tower of some 997 feet would be required to supply the necessary water pressure and."" BERLJEN Yes, that's correct. The reservoir heighth - the reservoir should be on a hill that's so many feet above - a hundred feet above the pads, There is no reservoir site available that we could do that on, and that's our DRING problem. Ok, Thank you, On page 21, which is maybe a little bit redundant, referring back to, they talk about the mitigation measures with regard to land use, and you'll notice".",. well on page 20 it talks about the proposed develop- ment is, quote, "generally" unquote, in compl iance with the requirements of this lone. However, the grades, the proposed qrades exceed the 6% maximum, and the grade on one driveway exceeds the 10% maximum. They talk about miti~ation measures that would infact bring it possibly back to Code require- ments, and they say these three mitigation measures may result in additional grading or the loss of one or more developable lots, However, these measures if implemented will ensure that no Significant adverse impact- will result. As I said, I think the 400,000 cubic yards is already more than enough to classify as significant, And by meeting the Code they're stated clearly I a number of times that these numbers will increase, but they haven't said how much, And by what additional amount, and what additional visual impact c , Tell Pg. 14 - March 21, 1984 EIR - Bluth development it will have, to cut out that amount of cubic yards. They point out time and aoain that this cutting of the mountain will clearly impact a very visual area, and yet its presumed to be acceptable in this EIR, and I'm not sure how you go about that, whether in fact you say - the only way you could say that that kind of impact is unacceptable is to turn down the EIR when it's presented in its final draft form, or whether to raise it as a concern at this point, I would raise it as a concern because I think it needs to be addressed. The access and circulation on the Page I'm not sure in reading this whether indeed, the proposed access and culation meets the Codes, Now I understand from other notes that it ways does not meet the Code, I think it should and I don't think EIR should be proposed that, indeed, assumes already variances and changing of our ordinances,'in one form or another, To Mr. Howard - the sewer impact - while I realize that very few residences are proposed - is there an impact vis a vis the model that we had done downstream, is there any? HOWARD DRING No, there is none, Thank you, I note in the EIR on our page 37, where they're talking about the reservoir, the applicants proposing to install an individual pneumatic assist systems for lots 9 through 18, and it states, this is acceptable to the City, I don't know whom has accepted it - who has accepted it. I'm not sure it wouJd be acceptable to me, certainly the Planning Commission has raised some serious concern about it, and would like that addressed, I think, again this is a case of assumptions that need to be supported and not just made. Mr. Gardner - do we have an idea of response time to that particular area for fire equipment? GARDNER Yessir, our research or review of this proposed development indicated that Fire Station #3 can respond to that area within the established response DRING In this EIR they address a number of times the issue that there is no I time. GARDNER DRING GARDNER DRING GARDNER DRING GARDNER I Tell Po, 15 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development turn-around available on one of the lots back there? That would be, I assume, the northernmost lot, I believe that to be true. Its real hard for me to make out the map, Do you consider it prudent to create a situation where you could possibly"", those hills lend themselves to fire storms as you're more aware than I, To put your truck in a position where it can't have a turn-around where its got to attempt to back and jostle itself in and out, wouldn't - do you consider it acceptable to not have that turn-around under those conditions? In this particular case what we have indicated is that an alternative method or procedure for turning a fire apparatus around would be acceptable if it met - you know the intent, and rather than have - and I believe one of the procedures being proposed is - is to have a hammer~head where the truck can just pull in, back- up and swing out again, just as easily as turning in a - in the normal U-turn, and that would be acceptable alter- native, Do you know if thats what's been proposed here? I can't get that out of this - I..,. That's my understanding that that will be a requirement if this is approved, If - thank you - I'm havin9 trouble trying to - again - find it in here I - they indicate that the since the building pad - lot - this lot is so small the eventual owner is unlikely to give up the part of - of a - part of it in order as a fire department turn-around - I - I'm not sure that thats - should be a decision made by the eventual owner - I think thats something the City has to decide. I a9ree and I believe that has been addressed and I don't have a copy of that report to 'reference you to the page, but there is one paragraph in the EIR that indicates that we would require a turn-around or an acceptable alternative, such as I described earlier, It has to be one or the other, . , '" Tel 2 Po, 12,- March el, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development BLUTH ""sit down and try to read them no one knows what - what they're doing, I think there's a little confusion here on this cuttinq and filling, I think your point, that you were trying to make Mr. Bluth, was that you're not cutting any slopes,.,. HATTS BLUTH WATTS BLUTH WATTS Correct. ...,you're cutting off the top of the hill." Correct, "."not the face of the hill,.. BLUTH Correct. WATTS BLUTH WATTS I think it was with regard to the safety,. Correct. ...factor - in terms of the face of the slope, but they 're, cuttin1. obviously the tops off, BLUTH Mr, Hannah.- adjacent to my personal residence we have a slope there that has a tremendous severe, straight drop, that has been eroding on each rain storm,..,. BLUTH You're going to fill that one I understand? ""that is the one that I intend to fill, That will secure the side of HANNAH that hill. The way that hill is today, it will continue to erode because it's impossible for any natural growths to hang onto the hill, It's just too steep, By going in there and filling that slope which is not a require- ment of the project, it's a requirement to make the project safer, As you ~o in and fill the slope; properly plant'it and then you assure its safety and its ability to withstand the storms and - through the years. HANNAH I have no objection to the project - I don't want you to draw any conclusion that I'm not in favor of it, however, I think that we would be remiss in our duties if we didn't address all of the impact that it's going to have BLUTH I agree, I on the neighborhood, HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH BLUTH LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI PELLEGRINO POKRAJAC LOJESKI I POKRAJAC LOJESKI Tel 2 Pg, 13 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development And the visual appearance of the - of the City. So, ", That,., . "..that's what we're trying to do here and",. And the only reason why I've come back up here is - hopefu~'ly to clear up - clear any areas that you have difficulty with, that I could possibly answer, and if I can't answer it, I will get my engineer or anyone else necessary to those questions resolved, Possibly while you're here you can answer ~ne more question I alluded to earlier. Is there going to be ingress or egress from any other area other than that one street? There must be for fire reasons, Now there - again we're back to the Fire Department comes in with a shopping list and says "this is what you'll do", the Water Department comes in, the Sewer Department, each department in the City comes in with requirements that, either I meet those requirements or I cannot develop the project, But,.". it's a requirement. Ok - you're going to have access to the project from some other street, other than the one that presently services the",.. It's going to be - that's going to be a requirement of the project - yes, There must be a secondary access. Any other quest ions of Mr. Bl uth? Lets get back on '- I don't thi nk we have a consensus yet on the soils report, Do we? Mr, Mayor, Don. There's a gentlemen 'at the podium, Mr, Mayor, can I say something? Excuse me, this is a public hearing, we did close the public hearing"", Yes, you did but,.".I'd",. ..,.unless gentlemen, you'd like it reopened, Gentlemen I'll leave it up , , POKRAJAC LOJESKI POKRAJAC LOJESKI ORING PELLEGRINO LOJESKI POKRAJAC LOJESKI NEMRABA LOJ ES KI NEMRABA HANNAH NEMRABA Tel 2 Pg. 14 - ~larch 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development to you: It's in response to some of'Bluth's questions, Just a second, lets answer one question at a time, Yessir. Can I have a motion to reopen the hearin~? MOVE to reopen the hearing. Second. Ok, The hearin~ has been reopened, Please, would you state your name and address for the record. Yes. I'm Nick Pokrajac, from 500 Mesa Circle, Monrovia. And my property just the east of Bluth's development project. And I just want to clarify a couple of points, One - that there will be exposed slopes on the - on the Monrovia side - right next to the Monrovia side - there will be cuts that will' be exposed. Also, one other question that was - there was a comment made that there was no site available for a tank to be - for the storage tank. There is a site. at a higher elevation, but it is in Monrovia, Thank you very much. If there's any questions, Any questions of Mr, Pokrajac? Thank you. Yes, Yessi,r, I'm back here again, My name is Roger Nemraba. My concern is.that Mr, Bluth has this beautiful home up there on the top of the hill that supposedly you people passed whatever rules had to be passed to build that one, and now he'i tilling us that thats eroding... And I'm just kind of concerned as Mr, Dring is, that the - you know we - somehow that was approved and now he's telling us that that',s erodin~';, That was approved incidently by a prior council, I I - Ok - fine. , , HANNAH NEMRABA LOJESKI PELLEGRINO BLUTH PELLEGRINO BLUTH I PELLEGRINO BLUTH lei ~ ~g. I~ - l'larcn ~I, I~M EIR review - Bluth development The three of us were not here, Alright, thank you Sir, But I think that points out something here that we're not satisfied with, now we're being told that now we've got it again, a better idea, we're going to fill it down below and that will never happen a9ain, and ...'. Sir. Mr, Bluth would you like to answer the'question on erosion of your house? When I did the first phase of the project I had addressed the City and asked them to correct some of the natural areas. At that time the attitude was to leave the project, in many areas as possible, natural, Which created most of my problems during the rainy weather, and what I'm attempt- ing to do now is do the project right and correct a natural area that I was required to leave the first time I did the project. By making the fill in the one slope area there it will correct what nature wasn't able to do. And what has occurred there is because of what I was required to do, not what I wanted to do, Ok? So now I'm trying to do it so I don't have the problem in the future, Mr. Bluth before you leave, for the consideration that you've given to the homeowners that were existing before you came on that project, be 9iven to the homeowners that you'll be - that will be looking at you from the west side of the your project? I'm sorry Mr, Pellegrino, I would like to insure you that the same courtesy that you've given the homeowners to the south of your project be given to the west df your project, Absolutely, Thank you, Fortunately in this project we're not adjacent to any homeowners, . '. I , PELLEGRINO LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI INBODY DRING INBODY DRING INBODY DRING Tel 2 Pg 16 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development Thank you. Are you alluding to landscaping and that sort of thing, Mr. Pellegrino? Whatever complaints they have, he's, been very considerate to the homeowners that were to the south of him and it would be nice to have the same rapport with the homeowners that will be looking at his project, Yessir, My name is Milton Inbody, 239 West Magna Vista, Arcadia, I've been listening to all the Councilmen this evening for quite some time, I'm not an engineer, we do have a City staff. City staff has been making recommendations - I have heard what Mr. Bluth has said in answer to you, Mr. Dring, and to Mr. Hannah, All of the procedures will be followed because, and I have nothing to do'with this gentlemen here, but all the procedures will be followed, dictated by the City, I don't understand why there's so many questions that keep coming up in - like to cuts and fills, and into a tank on the top of the hill, somebody's worried about it being unsightly, City planning is going to say plan't a hundred trees around it and its going to be done, There're procedures, its an Environmental Impact Study, why are we still here tonight, why are the City Council still here tonight talking about it for another hour or so, can we go on with our business? This is our businesS.Milt. I think Ok. An Environmental Impact Report is just by its title - impact on the environment, Ok? Absolutely. . And while we have ordinances we've qot a book here that suggests the impact based on not following some of those ordinances and I'm saying to you - you want to read this and tell me what the impact is going to be I if he does follow the ordinances? Which we presume he will, I can't INBODY DRING INBODY DRING INBODY DRING INBODY LOJESKI NEMRABA LOJESKI NE~RABA PELLEGRINO ~O.JESKI NEMRABA I LOJESKI Tel 2 Pg. 17 - March 21,1984 EIR review - Bluth development tell you and neither can you.... Well. And I'm suggesting to you - it's not complete, and thats what the discussion is all about. Ok - well I also hear the fact that Mr. Bluth did say that the City staff is going to give him recommendations, City staff will give the City Council recommendations, Its all got to fall in its proper place. The impact study is going to say something, Yes - when he applies for this permit, that permit, that permit, Meantime we have the task of approving or disapproving an Environmental Impact Report based on' either complete information or not complete, And you're suggesting don't worry about it, wait until it comes up later. That's not our job'; Well, it makes sense to me that in fact City staff will be taking care of all of those problems that are going to come up, Thank you r,1ilt, Than k you Thank you Mr, Inbody May I just address this gentleman real quickly? (He is speaking as he moves toward the microphone), Anyone else? You've got it - you've got a",. This is a public hearing,.,., Yessir, You've got a beautiful area up there with quarter million dollar - million dollar homes, and if they're wrong they've screwed it up forever, and that's why we're talking about this tonight, Thank you sir, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking for or against this report? Ie I ~ Pg, Itl- l'larcn ~ I, I ~tl'f EIR review - Bluth development CHUTE MY name is Dick Chute, I live at 1939 Alta Oaks, I'm concerned like Mr. Dring is on the 400,000 cubic feet, From what I understand that means that hill top is goin~ to be lowered by anywheres from 75 to 100 feet, I'd like to know if that's correct? LOJ ESKI BLUTH Mr. Bluth would you like to answer that question? I'm sorry I didn't hear (Talking from his seat in the audience). LOJESKI Can you restate the question? BLUTH CHUTE I believe there is a variation of anywhere from 25 to about 90 feet, yes, CHUTE Yes, when you take 400,000 square feet off of that hill aren't you to lower that hill approximately 100 feet? Would it be possible, somehow, to indicate 'what that hill is goinC) to look like in its heiCjht to the residents in that area? BLUTH CHUTE May I make one more question? We bought a house up there 25 years ago, BLUTH and the reason we bought that house is to - because we had a view of the hill, among other things, ' We no longer are going to be able to see that hill when you lower it lOa - anywheres from 25 to 95 feet, Thank you. I would say that I have the model out here, I'll be more than happy to go over it with you in the entry, It shows you exactly the way the hill looks today and how it's going to look in the future, In addition to that, in order for you, where you're living, to qet an idea you should get down on your knees and look up because that's the cut - the way you're going to be looking at the hill, Ok. You're not going to be - when you're looking down at the project you're looking from approximately 5,000 foot elevation, in a plane. So the way you would look at up would be on that kind of angle, Ok? DRING Question? Please, that built I mentioned, as long as you're piving "; "'"'' ~ '111I " r' BLUTH DRING BLUTH DRING BLUTH DRING DRI NG. BLUTH DRING PELLEGRINO BLUTH LOJESKI PELLEGRINO Tel 2 Pg, 19 - r1arch 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development To scale. ,.,to scale..., .. .40.. .. ",.does that meet ordinance code requirements now? Sir, that meets what I have proposed. Ok. What would be - then lets get to the nut of it, maybe you can answer part of my problems now, If you meant the ordinances as opposed to what you proposed - meaning no - nothing greater than 6% grades, I think? The last project was approved by the City, the City admitted that the original ordinance was over-bearing and impossible on the hillside and they altered it - that in fact a 10% grade was acceptable and they even went to a 15% grade. ',Because they said a 6% grade was'totally without basis for a hillside project. In addition if the project is not accepted the way I proposed it, it's qoing to be my problem to go back and do another Environmental Impact Report for what I suqgest. This is an Environmental Impact Report to cover the kind of project that I'm sug- gesting and if'it goes through - it goes through based on what has to be done to the project, If it doesn't I got to qo back to the drawing board and start from scratch and resubmit. Can you tell me what the impact would be if you met code? Hanen't even considered it, Thank you, Chuck while you're there"... You know, to clarify that, if we have to do that we'll have to resubmit if it's turned down, councilman Pellegrino, What do you figure the tax increment will produce to the City with a year of development? I Ij ,. , BLUTH DRING PELLEGRINO BLUTH PELLEGRINO DRING BLUTH DRING BLUTH DRING BLUTH DRING LOJESKI DR I NG BLUTH DRING - LOJ ESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI Tel 2 Pg,' 20 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development When the project is complete it would probably bring in a revenue anywhere in the neighborhood of 6 to $700,000 a year. Not considering Would that go to the City? Property tax to the City. The project will have finished tab on it of approximately around $60,000,000,00 when it's done, It'll bring in more property tax than the race track brings in or the shopping center, when it's completed,' Property tax Mr, Dring is shaking his head, Mr, Dring is shaking his head no, I'd 1 an explanation, I'm not - I'm not a tax Is a,.., Take 1,1 time $60,000,000.00 Mr. Dring. What's that amount to? 6.6 right? 6 - 7, you know.,. No, 660, Is that our portion of the taxes? I have no idea what your portion is. (Several talking softly at once), Yes - 1..., I'll go back to mY original - no lets - lets try something else. Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak on this item? I don't - .Chuck, I don't think we get all that is mY point. It goes to the County but the City doesn't get it. I'll Yes. I think that....,.. Mr" Mayor I MOVE we close the public hearing. "..,just, just a moment. Is there anyone else in the audience who WOU1dl like to speak on this item? Ok, Councilman Pellegrino I'll take your " PELLEGRINO DRING LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI LOJESKI HANNAH LOJESKI WOOLARD LOJESKI MILLER LOJESKI MILLER LOJESKI Tel 2 P~, 21 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development motion, Make a MOTION we close the public hearin9' Second, hearing Alri0ht the public/has now been closed aqain, I will go back to my original question in regards to the soil report. Gentlemen when do you want the soil report? After the approval of the EIR, as far as I'm concerned Your Honor, Alright - Councilman Dring, I think it should be done before - we have no way of knowing if there's going to be a significant impact, Ok - before, One before and one after, Councilman Hannah, I think it's a business risk he has to take so I - I'll have it afterwards, I feel.totally comfortable with staff's recommendation for it being' afterwards, Ok, What is the next item you need consensus on Mr, Woolard, That's really all, Is that it? You've got enough information and direction? You've got Councils concerns, you've not the Plannino Commissions concerns, and you've got the publics concerns. Correct? Thank you very much, I'm sorry - Mr, Mayor if I may." Yes" , ",.just add - I do think that maybe it's implied that whether a soils report is done before or after a reference to this discussion of it must appear in the EIR, and the comments related to it should appear in the EIR, so that it's part of the public record in the EIR. The concerns, the vote, the fact that there is many times, there's opportune time to stop the project if the soils report comes out negative down the road, It all has to be alluded to in the final EIR, I just - I wanted to state that for the record, whether the report's done before or not, That's'correct, O~ " " DRING LOJESKI HOWARD LOJESKI HOWARD lei! rq. ~ - l'larcn ~I, I~~q EIR review - Bluth development The reason I mentioned that I felt a ~eotechnical survey should be done prior Were two fold. One - we know from experience having sat here in the Council and listened to people come here and - and expose their problems with a developer vis a vis the rains and the floods and the mud that poured down into their houses as to who was responsible and the problems resulting from the prior development up there, We know that this kind of cutting can create problems and should be examined closely, Two - we know that at least 400,000 cubic yards are going to be moved out and that's a very significa chunk of that mountain. And when it's that close to a fault line you're talkin~ about a substantial project and you can do it either way but I wou think that the - one of the places to address is in the Environmental Impact because what happens if you approve it and the geotechnical survey comes back and says Mo we can;',t' cut there - you know the project's going to take a different form - I'm not a developer I can't tell you but I think you can get my gist - if it has to take a differenct form and shape and go a differ- ent direction than what value is the EIR when it addressed something that doesn't occur? The soils report that was done on the first phase of the project - did it address simply that area ~ or did it advance itself up the hillside into this area? No, it did not, It, ~i ~.!)ot.\'Ibat? " Did not cover this p~rticular site, it was only the tract that is cur- rently developing, I ( ; PELLEGRINO LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI HANNAH LOJESKI HANNAH ~OOLARD HANNAH lII! WOOLAR" lei ~ ~g. b - Marcn tl, I~tiq EIR review - Bluth development Mr. Mayor. Yes. It's not for us to approve or disapprove it tonight, we have discussed what we feel we'd like to see in the EIR and I "would direct staff to take the comments from Councilman Hannah, Councilman Dring and myself and yourself and include that in our final EIR packaging. Ok - I think the thinq we are attempting to do with staff was oet a little guidance here as far as - they're concerned with the soils report, do they want us - you know to require that up-front or would they like that down the road, Mayor, Yes. I'd like to ask Bill Woolard, in the prior project did we have a soil report prior to the EIR? The location of the prior tract was within,-thi,s - what's known as the Alquist-Priolo Special Study Zone - it was in - within this earthquake fault area, within a quarter mile of it and as a result it required a little bit more geologic investigation up-front than this project requires. So there was some additional geologic work done prior to that tract approval, There was, however, detailed borings made throughout the property all durin~ the course of the grading operation on that tract - so - I ~uess to answer your question there was a little more done up-front and then there was the continuous grading and soils reports that were done as a part of the grading operation, Well, I don't want to create a added expense to the applicant if it's unnecessary but what do you feel is necessary that should be addressed at this particu]ar area? I feel it could be done either way. I think that if its done this way its - HANNAH WOOLARD HANNAH WOOLARD [OJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJESKI HANNAH Tel 2 Pg, 7 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development leaves a little bit more up in the air - I think we would expect that the soils are probably quite similiar to those in the prior tract, if there were any significant conditions found that would alter the - lets say the findings in the Environmental Impact Report, then I think at that point that issue would have to be re-raised and readdressed before the project would be allowed to proceed. We can't all of a sudden alter the project and end up filling another canyon or something like that for example, because something else didn't work out because that's not what was addressed in this EIR. The EIR is fairly specific - if the project can't be done this way then we'd have to do some supplemental EIR work to address any substantial changes, Would we be brought another EIR? It would be a supplemental EIR' if it were dealing with additional infor- mation that was not available at this time, You in effect don't feel that it's necessary to have a soils engineering report prior to adoption of an EIR? I don't feel it's necessary at this particular time with this' case, Ok, Councilman Pellegrino, Mr, Mayor, I'm not in favor of him doing a soil test till we approve his EIR, With the questions that we've raised tonight - if those questions are answered then I think you should go through the expenditure of the rest of the - he won't be able to build till he has a soil test, and we approve it - the Planning Department approves it. There's no reason for the addi- tiona1 expense as far as I'm concerned, Dave, what's your feeling on tnat? The Planning Commission was rather firm in some of their comments and I I think that some of these things should be addressed and readdressed to ~' " I~I t- r~. 0 - l'lan..'! CoI, I:tOtf EIR review - Bluth development the Planning Commission. I have no objection to Councilman Pellegrino's idea but I don't know what the ur~ency of the matter is. Is there an urgency Mr. Bluth? I realize that time is money but we want to be sure that we're right rather than expedient. BLUTH Let me clear - asking for a soil report now - Mr, Dring is asking for - is puttin~ the cart in front of the horse, Basically you have canyons, Ok, one of the deals you have to check to find out how much alluvio, that could mean going down 20 25 feet into the canyon, If you bore a hole that might what be what is available at that spot and that diameter - it could tell you very little. If there is a spring - all these types of things are covered in City ordinance and City rules and regulation, The Soil Engineer totally certifies the project - these are things that are taken care of in the normal course of a project, not done in advance, because if - we know the soil, we know what type of soil - we've already worked with enough of it, We know the fact that in a canyon you have alluvio - by alluvio I mean, its soft soil that comes down into the bottom of the canyon that must be taken out and recompacted because nature hasn~t compact it enou~h, We know those items we do not have any front facial-cut slopes like we had in the first phase, We are not movina any dirt off the site so there is not going to be any trucks moving dirt off the project site, But the soil - results of the soil - to do testing is just a waste of money, The only time you determine that is when you go into a canyon and you totally clean out the complete canyon. At that point in time when a grader is on a project and, at every minute the man's there there's a soil I engineer on the project, That man is taking test borings at all times, any fill that's done he takes a test boring, two, three times an hour those lei ~ ~g. ~ - Marcn ~I. IY~4 EIR review - Bluth development HANNAH borings are registered, they are tested for compaction, they must meet state requirements. These things are all done in the normal course of a project, To try to even - no matter how many test borin~s you do, it still may not answer your questions, You know all this but we don't, You're in this business. My concern is BLUTH that maybe some of those slopes are too steep, and.". Too steep? HANNAH BLUTH HMNAH too steep, Well we're not cutting the face of a slope, we're only filling a slope, BLUTH That's my concern and if we get into situations where it might be unsafe then you have a new configuration of your project. You can't have an unsafe slope because you're controlled by the City Engineer and by state requirements that the slopes must meet their requirements, HANNAH Yes - 1 ~ 1.1,.,. BLUTH HANNAH BLUTH That's correct - you must have the certain ".. ,..I'm not too sure"...,. ,.,dimensions of your slope, the drainage of your slope, the benches, every thing is controlled. HANNAH Yes, but is that feasible for this particular area? I don't know, BLUTH Absolutely. You know"" HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH Absolutely, .,.1 don't know and we're asked to approve something that we're not really sure of - so.." BLUTH Yes - see I,.". BLUTH ;.. you know basically ... I bel ieve..,.. HANNAH HANt-.lAH BLUTH "."we're sayin~ to you - you know - what is the situation.".. I Ok, I elL ~g, I U - Marcn L I, I !:i134 EIR review - Bluth development HANNAH "',up there, can you give us some assurance that what you say is true, other then just have you say "it is true" and we..", BLUTH My engineer has,.", HANNAH BLUTH ".".,legal reason to disbelieve you ,,'" ",Ok, my engineer" HANNAH DRING HANNAH ,.,but we're making a decision that could substantially affect this project". See - Mr, Bluth we",., ... ..we just want to be......,.. BLUTH Mr, Hannah - my engineer has prepared all the necessary documentation, he has discussed this with Mr, Howard, He has done everything according to City and State regulations, and the project is totally safe or he wouldn't put his name on it, HANNAH BLUTH Ok, It is - it is a - if you bui1d a house, you bui1d a house by a code. HANNAH Yes. BLUTH Ok - you can't ~o in there and just build a house anyway you desire, When you do a fill, you do it by code - if you do not make that - meet that code your fill is not approved, the engineer will not sign it off, If the final plan does not meet the City requirements and the state requirements, the City won't sign off the project until it does. HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH yes, In other words .they will not certify the project, One of the questions that came up at the Planning Commission was that - BLUTH HANNAH or one of the statements was that there have been recent code changes, Pardon me, There have been recent code changes in connection with hillside developments, are you familiar with those? I BLUTH HANNAH There has been code changes? That's what I - was stated by Mr, ., , 'I. \' , -BLUTH HANNAH BLUTH HANNAH PELLEGINRO DRING LOJESKI DRING BLUTH DRING BLUTH DRING BLUTH WATTS iel <:: ~q, 11- March <::1, 19B4 EIR review - Bluth development I don't know what he is referring to. ."the gentlemen that is a soils engineer - as a matter of fact, Schaefer Dixon. Yes, I am not a soils engineer - I leave that up to my engineer and I assure you that he has prepared the project according to all current codes and regulations, both City and State, Alright fine, thank you. Mr, Bluth - before you leave.".. Chuck, Wait - Mr. Bluth - I'm sorry.". Councilman Dring. ""see I have trouble - the reason we need the information here is cause I have trouble understanding, When you say "we aren't going to cut any- thing, we're only going to fill it", you're going to transfer 400,000 cubic yards - from where? If you don't cut anything how do you fill it,." Mr, Dring I bought a model..... I saw the model. '" I had out here in the entry and I was out there and I would have been more than happy to address any questions you had, to show you, to make you more prepared for thi s meeting, That's why I brought that mode 1, and I believe that ".., How do you - how do you fill only without cutting? Where do you get it from? From the top - you have a hi" going up - you cut off the top - 'you ,put" it into a canyon. I'll be more than happy to take you out there, show you the model, show you the existing - what it looks like - that's to scale - where the dirt is coming from and where it's going, That's the reason why I had that model prepared so that visually it would make sense to because if you come in with plans- plans if - you"., Mr, Mayor. P"P1"1 l . DRING GARDNER DRING GARDNER DRING HOWARD DRING WOOLARD DRING I lei I P!J, Ib - March LI, 1~t!4 EIR review - Bluth development Would you be comfortable with this hammer-head type concept... In this particular situation, yes, Can you get your - lets suppose an engine were to arrive first - would you be able to get a paramedic ambulance past that engine - past the turn-around point, I' mean"is there'-enoagh".room' to maneuver? Yes, it should be adequate, yes. Ok - thank you, I have no idea in reading this report where they propose as mitigation measures - no slopes greater than 1,5 to 1. Is that Mr, Howard, an acceptable slope, is that what's in Code? That's entirely dependent on the Soil Enqineer's recommendations after he does the geological survey out at the site which will be required as a part of the design process for the final plans that will be presented to the Council for approval at a later date. As to its adequacy, that slope was used on the lower tract and the - you're again assuming the soil conditions are the same it probably will be safe, but that's up to the Soils Engineer to certify. Mr. Woolard - I'm not familiar with - enough with the requirements of EIR's - could something like that be addressed before you approve or disapprove - in other words contain within the EIR rather than afterwards? It could be theoretically be done either way, Not addressina it in the EIR would not mean a developer gets to do something that's going to be un - unsafe if upon the subsequent geologic investigation its found that there is a soil condition that warrants some special measures, On the other hand if it is done as a part of the EIR than you have more information up front on which you're making your final decision, From the items that I've listed, and there's others, it seems to me that it would be appropriate to reproduce this Environmental Impact Report based on the assumptions that the project will meet the City's Code requirements, We passed a hillside ordinance and created conditions in that hillside ordinance with the assumption that this would be safe and WATT!; LOJESKI WATTS DRING Tell Pg. 17 - March 21, 1984 EIR review - Bluth development appropriate types of conditions to be met in hillside development, To then be forced to review and/or approve in the next pass an Environmental Impact Report that already assumes that they don't have to meet those assumptions and therefor not provide us the kind of information - I don't know if the 400,000 cubic yards will go to 405 or will go to a million cubic yards, I have no idea, cause I'~ not. a~ engine~r. "It to me is an incomplete and insufficient, and I would suggest that the Environmental Impact Report address these issues before being submitted in its final form to the Council, Thank you, Mr, Mayor. Mr, Watts. Yes, Councilman Dring I think there is a misunderstanding as to the pur- pose of an EIR, So, first of all this EIR is not assuming that your City Council will provide variances in these specific instances, The purpose of th EIR is to respond to a specific proposal, which it is doing and when it comes to a mitigation measure that says - that involves a variance that's the only it can be mitigated, That's the responsibility of the consultant, to state that, he's not saying it should be done, it's just saying, for this specific proposal that is the mitigation measure that's necessary, To go back to the consultant and say, now give us a proposal, redo it meeting City Code, what you're really saying to the consultant then is redesign the project, which is not his job, it's the owners job, I suggest to you though, how in the world are we supposed to judge the environmental impact if we don't have the information available in the first place? It assumes conditions such as variances and modifications, and presents its impact based on those assumptions and it only says that if he doesn't get those assumptions, that there will be increased impacts, without telling us what those increases are, or how significant they are, I And I'm suggesting we don't have enough information to be able to judge I, . lei I ~g, 10 - l'larcn <:1, 1~0'l EIR review - Bluth development the environmental impact without those pieces of information being supplied to us - so - where I understand your environmental impact Consultant doesn't design the project, I'm suggesting that the conditions under which he has to work to create a report to us, the end result - the report isn't accept- ble in its current form, Through no fault of the Consultant, I'm saying we need information to judge the impact based on what would happen if the code were met, not on a lot of if come maybes, the Council mayor may not, Planning Commission mayor may not provide modifications or variances, If he meets code what's the impact? I have no idea, LOJESKI WOOLARD Bill , I think that - you know - what Councilman Dring is asking is "what is the impact of a project alternative which would comply with code", which is one of the things that the EIR can certainly address, or should perhaps address and - as well as a project of greater density, lesser density, what is the impact, I think that if you have one that complies with code theoretically then you have a base upon which you can look at the impacts of the project as proposed. LOJESKI Any other comments - Mr, Hannah, HANNAH Yes.- I've qot a concern about the access over the private streets in this particular area, I sat in on the Planning Commission - I'll be rather brief - but seven out of their fifteen concerns had to do with the access, the impact of vehicular travel, the fact that there could possibly be a tree down which would void the access for emergency vehicles and things of that nature, I didn't read in the EIR that there was another - another approach to the project, is there? LO,JESKI I WOOLARD Who would like to address this? Bill, Ok, None have specifically proposed in the project - but one of the miti- 9ation measures was that there be a secondary access easement, HANNAH WOOLARD HANNAH HOWARD HANNAH HOWARD HANNAH PELLEGRINO LOJESKI PELLEGRINO Tel' 1 Pg, 19 - March 21,1984 EIR review - Bluth development In other words that would be a condition of the approval of the EIR? Well - not of the EIR, but it would be a potential mitigation measure which could be imposed upon the specific tentative map or R-M permit, My only other question - I question the slopes as Councilman Dring does and it could substantially effect the configuration and the density of this project and I don't know whether we have any projects of a simi1iar nature in Arcadia where we have slopes that are as steep as is being proposed under this particular EIR, Do we? To 1 and 1,15, The existing tract to the south that this will join has comparable slopes 1 1/2 to 1 constructed slopes - yes, certified by a qualified soils engi- neering firm, We will - will we getting a qualified impact report on this soils report? It will be a requirement before we will approve a grading plan, Thank you, Those are my only two concerns - I think they should be addressed a little bit more fully in the EIR, Mr, Mayor, Councilman Pe11earino, I think some of the questions that Councilman Dring bring up are Mayor, maybe the developer could answer them or maybe it should have been answered in on our EIR on Councilman Drings, I '. , LOJESKI PELLEGRINO DRING PELLEGRINO WOOLARD DRING I lei ~ ~g I - ~arcn ~I, 1~~4 EIR review - Bluth development there is a disaster plan should be set in there, Safety not only of the future homes but of the existing homeowners below should be well considered, A question that I didn't find - it tells us in the EIR, if the project was not built the City would not realize additional property tax revenues, If 'the project is built - I see no figure, What would the property tax revenues be if the development was there? Can anyone answer that question? No. Would the developer like to answer some of the questions to Councilman Drings? It would be unfair to expect Mr. Bluth , to respond to these questions, adlib at this point, that wasn't the intent, I wanted them at least addressed and mentioned in the formal position that we are now so that when they come back and prepare the final draft of the EIR they can address those questions, I didn't raise the questions raised by the Planning Commission, or I may have been redundant but unintentially, because I think those need to be addressed as well, I certainly wouldn't expect him to answer it now, Ok - is there any modifications that Mr, Bluth is asking for in this devel- opment? I see none - I just was wondering. Yes - well there are in terms of the street grades and driveway grades, Those are things ~'hich are not really at issue in the EIR and whether or not those are granted is a subject which will be addressed at the time the actual tract map or the R-M permit is considered, Do you agree that while this isn't the place to approve or disapprove those WATTS DRING PELLEGRINO WATTS LOJESKI PELLEGRINO LOJ ES KI WOOLARD BLUTH lei L t"Y. c.. - 1'ldn.11 c..l, 1'::10'+ EIR Reveiw - Bluth development requests that the EIR should reflect the impact if there were not? Not necessarily, but we certainly agree that the Council, if the Council wants that additional alternative that the consultant can certainly provide that before the final approval of the EIR, Oh, Jeff, I agree with you what's the purpose of the EIR if they don't address some of those questions. As a matter of fact we would like the Council's consensus on that very point before the end of the discussion, I think as well as the soils situation, which has been discussed by several of the Councilmen tonight. 14ith regar to the latter, the soils thing, staff really feels that it doesn't make an difference at this point it's really - we've left it up to the developer. There's got to be a soils report before the project is up before the Council for approval, The developer is this instance has chosen not to spend the money now, but he's going to have to spend the money at some point to get that information, Councilman Pellegrino,anything else? There's a ton of questions but the EIR does not answer a lot of the Environ- mental Impact around to the residential community and I'm sure that the developer answered a ton of my questions when his total liabiT'ity is his for the rest of the project till eternity, None, Your Honor. I have nothing more to add, What would staff like as far as direction on this? Ik. Watts can you help us out with that? One item would be a consensus as to whether or not the EIR should add- ress.,., , Excuse me could I - before you get started on that just - most of Mr, Dring's questions I can answer. Most of them are already answered in the Environmental Impact Report and they're very general questions, and if "'I has problems with them I'll be happy to answer them on the spot, lei L ~g, .j - l'Iarcn LI, 1:iIH EIR review - Bluth development DRING BLUTH This isn't - I don't believe it's time for your response,., You brought up very basic questions ",., BLUTH ,..that have been already handled by all the departments in the City and they're addressed in the Environmental Impact Report, So I didn't under- stand most of your questions, because they're in there, but if you have other questions I'll be more than happy to answer them or get the answers for you, DRING Maybe it would behoove you to get a copy of the minutes to go back over .the questions I asked, because as far as I can remember, some of the questions I asked certainly were not answerin~ an Environmental Impact Report, that's why I raised those questions, BLUTH DRING I'll be happy to answer them for you, Thank you I'd appreciate it I presume that those and many other questions raised by the Planning Commission will be addressed in the final Environmental Impact Report before it's presented to Council, BLUTH Most of your questions though were questions that you weren't familiar with what happens or the laws or regulations, that you want clarification, and if that's the case I can answer those questions and clarify those questions for you on the spot. It miqht reduce the number of items that you have prob 1 ems with, DRING No - because I'm not I'm tryino to save us both time. We've got to come back and review a final draft of this for approval - this is certainly tonight's not approval night one way or another, BLUTH I'm aware of that, I J" . ,. ,. I t: I '- r y. '1' - l'lQ I \../1 '- I, I ;1U"'t EIR review - Bluth development DRING Presumably in the final one you will address questions. raised, not only BLUTH here, but by people and the public in general, by the Planning Commission, and questions raised by the Council, those will be addressed in the final Environmental Impact Report, Oh - if you do have questions though I'll be more than happy to answer them on the spot. Sure".. thank you~ So that all 'questions on the project have been addressed, I understand, DRING BLUTH DRING LOJESKI Ok - I readdress my question" Bill I think you were about to answer it. Thank you Mr, Bluth. HOOLARD In the EIR; normally all the questions which are raised both by the Planning Commission, by the public this evening, and by the City Council will be addressed in the EIR, including the examination of alternative developments, which we will respond to, of course maybe a question as it comes back to the Council, the adequacy of our addreSSing the issues and our responses which of course can be ironed out at that time too, One of the items of particular concern is the question regarding the soils report, normally that has been done, it was done in the previous project, prior to the issuance of any building permits and prior to the issuance of the gradinq permit on the properties, If the soils study is done initially so you know more about the potential project, you know that there will be a problem in a certain portion of the side or if the slope cannot be 1 and 1/2 to 1, On the other hand if it is not identified in the EIR, again it would be something that would still nonetheless be required in order to have the - I'll say a safe situation prior to the issuance of those grading - builaing permits. I I 3a. TITLE III GRANT FUNDS APPROVED (11- D,'. Sf' \ \ \ 1'1\e.. l' (11 (:f'{ C\ ~ ~ fJ.il 4. 5a. ROLL CALL I 5b, MINUTES APPROVED 5c. ARA I RESOLUTION NO, ARA-75 (APPROVED) 25:0904 No one else desiring to be heard, the hearing was CLOSED on MOTION by Councilman Pellegrino, seconded by Councilman Dring and carried, It was then MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows that the Cost Summary, as submitted, be APPROVED and that the City Manager be authorized to execute the Memorandums of Understanding. AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, LOjeski None Councilman Haltom It was the consensus of Council that staff be directed to begin work on the prospects, costs and possible locations of a Senior Citizens' Center. Council received and considered the recommendation of the Senior Citizens' Commission for authorization to file application for 1984-85 TITLE III GRANT FUNDS. It was MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows ~hat an . application be submitted for TITLE III FUNDS for soclal serVlces; that a contract be entered into in the amount of $34,237 for the period of July l, 1984 to June 30, 1985, and that the City Manager, or in his absence, the Director of Recreation, be AUTHORIZED to execute the application and the contract with the LOS ANGELES COUNTY AREA AGENCY ON AGING. AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None Councilman Haltom . It was MOVED by Councilman Pellegrino and seconded by Mayor . Lojeski and carried on roll call vote as follows that the request of the Youth Commission to hold a dance at the Masonic Hall on May 18, 1984, from 7:00 to 10:00 p.m, be APPROVED. AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None Councilman Haltom Council recessed in order to act as the ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PRESENT: Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski ABSENT: Member Haltom On MOTION by Member Dring, seconded by Chairman Lojeski, Member Haltom was excused. Member Hannah abstained, The minutes of the regular meeting of March 7 were APPROVED on MOTION by ~ember Pellegrino, seconded by Chairman Lojeski and carried. Abstain: Councilman ~annah, ARA RESOLUTION NO. ARA-75, adopting amended procedures for implementation of the California Environmental Quality Act of 1970 and the regulations of the California Resources Agency, This was ADOPTED on MOTION by Member Dring, seconded by Member Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None Member Haltom -J- ., /')1 /011 5d, AGREEMENT EXTENSION (LARMOR) 30 DAYS q"\ f \'}/ 5e, AGENCY / LOAN PAID BACK TO CITY 25 :0905 Request of Larmor Development Company for an extension of its Disposition and Development Agreement for reasons set forth in staff report dated March 15, 1984, During this consideration, Jim Nangais, 1475 S, State College Blvd., Anaheim, responded to questions concerning minor adjustments to the configuration of the proposed building, It was MOVED by Member Pellegrino, seconded by Member Drinq and carried on roll call vote as follows that the Agency AUTHORIZE Amendment No.1, a time extension of 30 days to the DDA (Schedule of Performance) such extension contingent upon submittal of a 30 day extension of the Letter of Credit by Larmor within seven calendar days of Agency approval, in form approved by the Agency Counsel. I AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None Member Haltom It was MOVED by Member Dring, seconded by Member Pellegrino and carried on roll call votes as follows that $399,867,21 of the existing loan of $920,096,51 be paid back to the City's Capital Outlay Fund. (The tax increment fund as of January 31, 1984 indicated this cash balance of $399,867,21.) AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski None Member Ha Hom 5f. ADJOURNMENT The Agency adjourned to April 3, 1984. 6. 7, Council reconvened, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION Herb Fletcher, 175 W. Lemon Ave. said, in part, that he feels there is a general lack of interest in the City government by so many residents and suggested that the press and the City Newsletter be used to convey 'information on the financial condition of the City". reserves ,. and what it costs per month to operate, Mrs. Johanna Hofer, 875 Monte Verde Drive spoke to an agenda item con- cerning the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency, She was advised that the monies involved were due the City from the Agency which the City, in turn, reloaned back to the Agency", that if this were not approved by Council, it could be used for whatever the City would decide, Mrs, Hofer then suggested Council consider forming a Committee of Citizens which would .approve capital improvement projects,.. the committee to be from different sections of the City. ' Edward Zareh, 1051 Catalpa Road referred once again to the need for a sound wall on the freeway and was advised that staff is currently preparing a report as to the cost of a consultant for the preparation of a study which would include sound readings and what it would cost the City, if all else fails, to construct the soundwalls with City funds, The report will be before Council on April 3. In response to a question Mr. Zareh said, in part, that he would be willing to contribute his fair share. I 3/21/84 -4- 8a, TEC/PCE 1J.1 REMOVAL t,.{ ') PLANT y\ (APPROVED) 25:0906 f' CONSENT ITEMS APPROVED plans and specifications and AUTHORIZED the call for bias for TEC/PCE Removal Plant for Longden Wells Nos. 1 and 2, Estimated cost of this project is $180,500. Negative Declaration has been prepared. (Resolution 5167 was ADOPTED later in the meeting. See page 6 .) 8b. WORK ACCEPTED the work performed by Gabi Construction Company, Inc, q)ACCEPTANCE on the Concrete Gutter Program - Job No. 548 and AUTHORIZED final Construction Co., Inc. 8c. WORK ACCEPTANCE \p\ JOB # 550 t.\ Sully ~ \ Miller 8d. CONTRACT ,\ AWARDED '" Vido v." Samarzich \ 8" Water ~ Line & Fire Hydrants 8e. ,/ LOAN TO V A R A 8f. PARCEL 'I MAP 8ff' 3 C', LOT SPLIT 1 (APPROVED) 8h, FIREARM ENDORSE- S ME NT (DENIED) , I 8q. TRACT , NO. O. 23139 '\ ( Oc t ' 6 ,1 984 ) EXTENSION ACCEPTED the work performed by Sully Miller, Contractor - surface reconstruction of the Bonita, California, Diamond, Fano, Genoa ana Lucille Streets - Job No, 550 and AUTHORIZED final payment pursuant to the terms of the contract. It was noted that $147,000 was approved for the project from CDBG Funds and the 1983 Jobs Bill Funds, Final amount was $127,506.16. AWARDED contract for installation of 8" water 1 ine and fire hydrants at Haven Avenue and Lorena Avenue to Vido Samarzich, Inc. in the amount of $23,043, Irregularities and informalities in the bid or bidding process were waived and the Mayor and City Clerk were AUTHORIZED to execute a contract in form approved by the City Attorney. APPROVED the loan of $399,867.21 from the Capital Outlay Fund back to the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency Project Fund in order for the Agency to use same to further pay expenses and buy property pursuant to the direction of the Agency. AUTHORIZED the Department of Public Works to APPROVE and EXECUTE the subdivision agreement for a tentative parcel map'8~3, proposed lot split to create two lots from one lot at 205 W. Norman Avenue. DENIED the request of Lou Little for permission to carry firearm, THE ABOVE CONSENT ITEMS WERE APPROVED ON MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PELLEGRINO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DRING AND CARRIED ON ROLL CALL VOTE AS FOLLOWS: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, and Lojeski None Councilman Haltom Consideration of a request for a six-month extension for Tract 23139 at 250 Colorado Blvd. On recommendation of the Planning Department, it was MOVED by Councilman Pellegrino and seconded by Councilman Hannah and CARRIED on roll call vote as follows that a six-month time extension be granted (Oct, 6, 1984). AYES: NOES: ABSTAIN: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah and Lojeski None Councilman Pellegrino Councilman Haltom -!i- \1,'; 9a. ORDINANCE NO, 1788 (ADOPTED) ,. .J1 I , :A/ y\ 9b, ORDINANCE NO, 1789 (ADOPTED) (\& 1-- O.~ ".t) ~" J 9c, RESOLUTION NO. 5167 (ADOPTED) /\ \/\ ') ~\ ~ 9d. CLAIM DENIED (W,Applebee) 25:0907 The City Attorney presented for third time, explained the content and read the title of Ordinance No. 1788, entitled: "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA AMENDING ARCADIA MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 9233,10 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE RECLASSIFYING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT 285 WEST HUNTINGTON DRIVE FROM R-l AND S-l TO C-O & H (PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WITH A HIGH RISE OVERLAY) WITH SPECIFIED CONDITIONS AND STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERA- TIONS, " It was MOVED by Councilman Hannah, seconded by Councilman . Pelle9rino and carried on roll call vote as follows that Ordinance No, 1788 be ADOPTED: . AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski Councilman Dring Councilman Haltom I The City Attorney presented for the second time, explained the content and read the title of Ordinance No. 1789 entitled: "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA AMENDING SECTION 9233.7 OF THE ARCADIA MUNICIPAL CODE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 15 WEST ST. JOSEPH STREET AND 300, 312 and 318 ROLYN PLACE FROM M-l (PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT) TO C-M (COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING ZONE)" . It was MOVED by Councilman Hannah, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows that Ordinance No. 1789 be ADOPTED: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski None Councilman Haltom The City Attorney presented, explained the content and read the title of Resolution No, 5167, entitled: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA APPLYING TO THE CALIFORNIA STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR AN AMENDED PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A TCE/PCE REMOVAL PLANT AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY THEREFOR", ADOPTED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski None Councilman Haltom Counctlmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, and Lojeski None Councilman Haltom I On recommendation of the City Attorney the claim of W. Applebee was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: 3/21/84 -6- ge. CLAIM (. DEN lED ~ (W.Hoffman) 9f. CLAI~1 t. DENIED 'I (S,Chung L iu) 99, CLAIM ( DENIED \' (A. Malinowski) 10. OLYMPICS :A CONTRACT \' WITH LAOOC & LATC APPROVED IN MEMORY OF MONSIGNOR JAMES WALSH I LOJESKI IN ~lEMORY OF CAROLYN AUGUSTA KEITH-HALL NEILSON 25:0908 On recommendation of the City Attorney the claim of W, Hoffman was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski NOES: None ABSENT: Councilman Hannah On relommendation of the City Attorney the claim of S, Chung Liu was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino. and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski NOES: None ABSENT: Councilman Haltom On relommendation of the City Attorney the claim of A, Malinowski was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: , Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski None Councilman Haltom MATTERS FROM STAFF Staff advised that an agreement has now been reached between the Los Angeles Olympic Organizing Committee, the Los Angeles Turf Club and t~e City of Arcadia regarding Olympic events, The agreement with the contracting parties sets forth a reasonable cost commit- ment ~ith leeway and flexibility to cover most circumstances, It was MOVED by Councilman Drina, seconded by Mayor Lojeski and , - carried on roll call vote as follows that the contract be APPROVED and that the Mayor and City Clerk be AUTHORIZED to execute same~ AYES: NOES: ABSENT: I Councilman Pelle9rino asked that the meeting be adjourned in memory of Monsi9nOr James Walsh, the brother of the Rev. Robert Walsh of Holy Angeles Church. Monsignor Walsh was born in Ireland August 2, 1912 and passed away on March 6, 1984, At the time of his death, Monsignor Walsh was the founding pastor of St, Louise Catholic Church in Covina, CA. . I alsJ would like to adjourn the meeting this evening in honor of a very ~ine lady, aged 87, by the name of Carolyn Augusta Keith-Hall Neilson -- she was my wife's grandmother, She passed away on March 6, 1984 in St, George, Utah, She was born on June 28, 1896,' She was a Ivery active member of the LDS Church in Southern Utah and served in the past as a St. George Temple Worker, President of the YOUng!Ladies r~utual, President of \,ashington Relief Society, She was a State Sunday School Board Member, primary teacher, choirster and o~ and on. She was the vice-president of the American Legion Auxiliary, a Captain in the Daughters of Utah Pioneers and was a reporter for the Washington County News for twenty-five years, Her SUrvivors include one son, McKay Neilson of Arcadia, two brothers, one in Overton, Nevada and one in Granada Hills, two sons, IRodney Neilson and Paul Neilson, both were killed in World War II. Funeral services were held on March 10, 1984 in Washington, Utah and internment was in the Washington City Cemetery. I would like to appropriately adjourn the meeting in her honor." Counc i 1 men None Counc il man Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski Ha 1 tom -7- 3/21/84 12, ADJOURNMENT 25:0909 The meeting adjourned at 10:10 p, m. to 7:00 p, m, April 3. 1984, ATTEST: y~ City Clerk -8- .. 3/21/84 I .