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INVOCATION
PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
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M I NUT E S
CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA
and the
ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 21, 1984
The City Council of the City of Arcadia and the Arcadia Redevelopment
Agency met in a regular session at 7:30 p,m" March 21,1984 in the
City Hall Council Chambers,
Rev. David Nicosia, Associate Pastor, Emmanuel Assembly of God
Jack David Fry, Los Angeles Fireman
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
Councilman Haltom
Councilman Haltom was excused on MOTION by Councilman Dring,
seconded by Mayor Lojeski and carried.
On MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Pellegrino
and carried Minutes of Adjourned and Regular Meetings of March 6,
1984 were APPROVED, Abstain: Councilman Hannah,
ORD, & RES. It was MOVED by Counc ilman Pe 11 egrino, seconded by Mayor Lojesk i
READ BY TITLE and carried that all ordinances and resolutions be read by title
only.
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APPROVED
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JACK BARNES
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NO, 5166
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PRESENTATION
On behalf of the City Council, Councilman Dring presented a plaque
to Jack Barnes, Sister City Commissioner, in appreciation for his
efforts and accomplishments during his term as a member of the
Sister City Commission,
Mayor Lojeski introduced Jack David Fry, commending Mr. Fry on
his exemplary action and unselfish bravery during danger and
threat of death when he risked his life to pull injured children
from a gunman's fire at the 49th Street Elementary School in Los
Angeles, This bizarre nightmare resulted in one death and thirteen
injuries. Hr. Fry is a Paramedic with the Los Angeles Fire Depart-
ment, The following resolution No. 5166, entitled "A RESOLUTION
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA COMMENDING JACK DAVID
FRY" was ADOPTED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by
Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None .
Counc,lman Haltom
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The proceedings of this Public Hearing have been placed in
transcript form (attached), Considerable review was held of
the Environmental Impact Report for the proposed twenty-three
lot subdivision, Tract 42936, and Residential Mountain 83-1:
This hearing closed on MOTION by Councilman Pellegrino, seconded
by Councilman Dring and carried.
It was the consensus of the majority of Council that the
Environmental Impact Report should be approved prior to the
soJls report, Councilman Dring felt the soils report should
be done before the Environmental Impact Report.
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SEE TRANSCRIPT
In January 1984 the County Board of Supervisors advised that the
City would be receiving about $299,094 in Community Development
Block Grant Funds (CDBG) for fiscal year 1984-85, The City has
been recently advised that the Cost and Project Summary must be
submitted by March 19 which has been extended to March 22 in
order to allow for this hearing, The staff report dated March 21
listed the projects currently in progress and the status of each.
Staff recommended that $270,094 be set aside in a Business
Revitalization Project. It will not be known how much will be
needed to carry out the goals until the study is completed, The
remainin9 $29,000 to be set aside for administration of the CDBG
projects, If it is determined later that all of this money is not
needed for the implementation of the downtown revitalization study,
the City Council may add new projects, Alternative projects would
require the approva,l of the Board of Supervisors, It was noted in
the report that the Planning Department has checked with the County
to ascertain if sound walls along the freeway and/or a historical
museum would qualify and has been advised that they would not,
Mayor Lojeski declared the hearing open and Mrs, Johanna Hofer,
875 Monte Verde Drive, referred to the need of a fire station in
the southern part of the City and asked a legal question regarding
1 iabil ity and the City Attorney said in part that, "First of all,
I can never predict with any finality what a court will do. How-
ever, the City of Arcadia, like most communities, does provide fire
protection service. The decision of how to allocate that service
is a discretionary decision and the City is immune from any liability
with regard to exercise of its discretion, Furthermore there are
other specifiC sections of the California government .code which
provide immunity from liability, There would be no liability,"
Mrs. Hofer stated further in part that a fire station should be
built in the southern part of the City before something really of
a major nature,happens,
Herb Fletcher, 175 W, Lemon Avenue, said in part that a new fire
station would require nine new firemen to staff the station and
submitted that the response time of an average of five minutes for
fire engines and less for the paramedics perhaps those in the
southern part of the City are not as bad off as - compared to the
entire Los Angeles County,
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RELATING TO
PUBLIC HEARING PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE
REVIEW OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR A PROPOSED
23-LOT SUBDIVISION, TRACT 42936 AND RESIDENTIAL MOUNTAIN
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PROCEEDINGS AT THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 21, 1984
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Item No, 1 on the agenda is a Public Hearing - Mr. Bill Woolard.
Honorable Mayor, ~Iembers of the City Council the purpose of tonights
public hearing is to afford the public the opportunity to comment on the
WOOLARD
potential environmental impacts and/or mitigation measures which may be
associated with the proposed project, and not to discuss the pros and cons
of the project itself, Subsequent public hearings on the Tract Map and
permit
R-M / for this development will be scheduled before the Planning Commission
and the City Council. Upon the completion of the public comments the
should close the public hearing and may add any additional comments.
lowing this public hearing the final Environmental' Impact Report will be
prepared for subsequent certification by the Council, Final Environmental
Impact Report will contain responses to the environmental questions which
are raised by the Planning Commission, the public and the City Council,
The City Councils' action in reviewing, commenting and certifying the EIR
should not be construed as an action which would commit the City to either
approving or denying the subsequent Tract Map or RM permit applications,
This concludes my report unless you have any questions,
LOJESKI
Any questions of staff? This is a public hearing ladies and gentlemen,
anyone in the audience desirous of speaking in opposition to this item on
the a~enda please come forward and state your name and address for the
record,
HOFER
My.name is Johanna Hofer and I live at 875 Monte Verde Drive, I have read
the Environmental Impact ,Report and I believe that soils studies should
definitely be incorporated as part of the EIR, Even in our area, which is
Monte Verde, which is not a hillside it would have been wise to have made
soil studies before homes were built. I refer to the sinking and shifting
of earth on a lot of the properties - ours is among them, Also let me -
let me remind you of the piece of equipment that fell onto the tennis coul
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I was told by teachers at that school that a lot of shifting dirt kept
coming down and they were constantly keeping doors closed to prevent same
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from entering the Gym, I believe anyone spending $1,000,000 for a home
is entitled to a Soil Study and more importantly any subdivision next to
a public or private school should follow strict guidelines to prevent injury
and protect the health and welfare of children attending same. I think you
have quite a problem there - a lot of problems after reading that EIR and
I think the City is going to have to be very deligent to work all these
things out and I appreciate this gentlemen has invested a'lot of money
buyinq this hillside, but yet the study that you are qoinq to make will
involve not only money but lives on this hillside, so I don't think you
can give it enough emphasis, Thank you,
LOJESKI
Thank you Mrs, Hofer, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking
in opposition to this item? Please come forward.
NEr1RABA
My name is Roger Nemraba and I reside at 1648 Highland Oaks Drive. Our
home is on the other side of the wash where these homes are going to be
built, There is a lot of shifting there, I see it every day as a result
of living where I can face it from my back yard. In 'fact there's been
landslides in that area as far back as a few years ago - talking to my
neighbors who live next door - who's a fireman, We just recently moved
there and one of the prime reasons to move there was the back where you
had no one living and you had natural wild life and one of the environmental
impacts I would consider would be the impact on the wild life there, We
have very few areas like that left in Arcadia and I'm afraid that we are
going to get rid of one more this way. I understand Mr, Bluth's desires
and looks like a nice project but at the same time the last three homes
he bUllt which were down the ways a little bit from the hillside that he's
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not lookinq at - trucks were going there seven days a week, on Saturdays
and Sundays we would wake up at seven in the morning with trucks rolling
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and I would hope that if he did build that area that at least we would be
able to have some quiet on the weekends, My main concern though is the
shifting and the wild life, Thank you,
LOJESKI
NEMRABA
LOJESKI
BROCKUS
Thank you Mr. Nemraba is that correct.
Nemraba, N E M R ABA.
Thank you.
I'm Ray Brockus at 1309 Standish Street in Arcadia. And while I go alona
with these people on the environmental impact, I'd like this Council even
though it's a short time for a couple of them - to consider some of these'
new candidates for City Council are preaching gun-ho full development for
Arcadia, I think they're looking at the dollar signs - not the view fact
that these guys are climbina up the hill and then where we going to get
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the water - Arizona's going to grab their's and the Peripheral Canal
isn't in and are we looking at 'how much development Arcadia can have with
our resources to take care of them, And this keeps - development keeps
going - somebody's going to wind up on the stick, And I'd want these
people to take a close look - I'm not against this particular development
as its self but where we're going, Thank you.
LOJESKI
Thank you Mr. Brockus, anyone else in the audience desirous of s~eaking
against this 'item?
BURCH
My name is Philip Burch, I live at 1800 Highland Oaks Drive. I'm a
geologist by education, I've been watching those hills back there for
the 20 years since we've been privileged to live in that area, My biggest
concern is what's happening to the soil. t1Y opinion - it's very unstable
I've been watching the land up there since they hauled all the dirt out
from the fill or took the dirt out to build the freeway, If you 00 up
there and look at what's happened in these years since that dirts been
removed you'll see that the road thats build in there is almost entirely I
gone, The hillsides are slopinq down. I'm concerned about this in rela-
tion to the - what's happening at the Big Rock area at Malibu. I was out
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there two weeks ago - I looked at the soil driving along the road - the
Pacific Coast Highway, I'm concerned about the - what might happen if
that land is built on the way it's proposed now, as to the liability thats
going to be created, If those houses should slide who's going to face the
lawsuits, five years - ten' years from now? So not only concerned about
the soil being unstable, I'm also concerned about the liability that some-
body's going to have to face, Thank you,
Thank you Mr. Burch, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking in
opposition to this item? Anyone else desirous of speaking in favor of this
item on the aqenda? Please come forward, Is the applicant present, would
he like to make a presentation or a pitch?
Charles P. Bluth, the applicant. I'd like to bring up the - one gentlemen
brought up about the trucks seven days a week, I think what he's referring
to is the trucks that were running to bring in soil for the Flood Control
District, it had nothing to do with our project, They ran for approximately
four months almost solid seven days - they brouqht in excess of a million
yards, thats directly behind his home. As far as the soil, if the gentle-
man's a geologist - I'll be more than happy to give him a book of soil
reports, The soil on that hill is some of the best you'll find anywhere
in Southern California, And without exception we - we've had erosions
where we have natural slopes that are - have tremendous elevation changes
and the new project has taken that into account and we're doinq necessary
work in order to alleviate that problem in the future. If you have any
questions I can answer for you..".
Any questions?
I have one question.
Yes, Councilman Pellegrino,
Mr, Bluth where does the liability set on a project like that,..".
Ob the developer,
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,.,.,in the event"." To the developer?
Forever,
Forever, Thank you Mr, Bluth.
Any other questions? Thank you Mr. Bluth,
Than k you,
Could I ask one question
Is the Council desirous of hearing the question?
If it's alright with you, Your Honor,
ihats fine - please.
Than k you,
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Can you come to the microphone so we can catch it on tape?
(Speakjng while waJkinn forw~rd)
Are you gOing to grade the hillside
down to the bottom of the wash and 'what are your plans?
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(Standing away. from ,the microphone) there's. There is two - there is one
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canyon that will be graded - a minor one and then where you're seein9 the
erosion and where there was slippage in the last two rain storms, that
we're doing a fill' and we're putting the necessary terraced drains
in, and to assure that it doesn't happen in the future,
Will it stay natural or will it look man-made when you get done?
Well the first. year it'll look natural and then they - a spin-slope - the
landsca~inq takes approximately a year to' get fully grown, and it.is my -
what I've recommended to the City - is we do about a 100 foot' buffer down
and additional trees and then heavily landscape that fill area. Fill is
easy to landscape it's cut - cut slopes that are difficult and in this
particular phase of the project there is no cut slopes. You're not going
to see any of the types of cuts and elevation - you know to the side of
the hill like you had last time.
MOVE for closing the public hearing,
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Tell Pg, 7 - March 21, 1984
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Second,
Roll call please.
Some 1 ady __wanted to sp~i!.k,
Dring,
I'm sorry was - Dave is there someone else,.. I'm sorry,
I think the lady over there would like to speak,
I'm sorry I didn't see your hand, would you 'like - like to come forward",
Withdraw.
Withdraw my second, Your Honor,
The Motion has been withdrawn.
Irene Dalyk 1300 N, Oakhaven Lane, Arcadia, I would just like to make
a statement in fact - in favor of the wild life up there. I have been up
there all during the past year and just recently, and there have been deer
and rabbit and there's quite a bit of wild life still up there. This was
also seen in the Flood Control area where when I was up there before it
was quite low and now it has been filled with dirt, so there has been a
lot of work or dirt being brought into that area which has made a great
change just within the last few months, I live in that area and I know
that I had a lot of rattle snakes and tarantulas and I
simply because I no longer bothered with any of it, so
favor the project
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a blight, I think it's been a great project and I've enjoyed living where
I am simply because I no longer have the problems that I am having that I
did have prior to the project being built, Thank you.
Thank you Mrs, Daly. Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking in
favor of this project? Councilman Dring,
t10VE for close of the public hearing,
Second, Your Honor.
Roll call please.
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Any discussion Gentlemen?
Yes - I do.
Councilman Dring.
Yes; I'm - thank you - I've developed kind of a shopping list of things
I'd like to address, hopefully in the EIR. One, I feel that a ~eotechnical
study is a must for this particular project, because of its location and
its potential impact on others. When a Environmental Impact Report is
delivered to us that says, for example, on page 2 - "The thin layer of top
soil is probably underlain by granite bedrock". I have a great deal of ,
difficulty dealing with that, and certainly I would have difficulty appro
ving any EIR that deals in probabilities, You'll notice on page 40 it goes
on to say "Creation of the proposed cut and fill slopes should be safe if
the City's requirements regarding compaction and provision of drainage
facilities are followed (always assuming the soils in the area are the same
as those in the Whispering Pines Estates)", Now I'm not a geologist but
r think that a project of this scope and this impact, for us to consider
approving an EIR that makes assumptions of always approving and assuming,
and probably would be - not appropriate. Two, I'd like to ~oint out that
at least for my sake the tentative tract map is presented on this page 11
in the booklet is too small for me to read or be able to discern the kind
of information I'd like to get out of it, I would hope that we could get
a larger Tract Map. Three, the 36 foot high water tower, on the highest
pad, I think, in my opinion, would be visually unacceptable and,certainly
a visual impact is part of an Environmental Impact Report. Four, I think
you'll notice on - you needn't ~ook'them up I'll just refer to them - on
page 4, where they talk about impacts, they talk about the traffic on -
on Oakhaven and Sycamore Roads that results from these and they in - the
di scuss ion with adverse, but not si gnificant impacts, they say quote "non1
of these impacts is considered significant," I suggest that possibly is
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not considered significant in terms of the developers terms, but certainly
the residents may well view that impact in a different light and I think
they should be addressed. You'll notice on page 6, Land Use - Description
of Impact - since the design of the subdivision does not conform to the
requirements of the hillside development ordinance. I'm having a great
deal of difficulty dealing with an EIR that comes in and presumes that it
does - you know that these ordinances will be waived, They make statements
in a number of pl aces, on page 14 and page 18, where in fact they say "if
we had to conform to the - I'm paraphrasing now - if we have to conform
to the hillside ordinances then they would have to cut more mountain out,
they already proposed, at least in this EIR, that they'll take approximately
400,000 cubic yards of dirt out and they point out that that's assuming
they don't have to meet the ordinances, and certainly if they do, there
would be a substantial impact, They're seeking exceptions to our standards
and our requirements here within the EIR. .While.:it's put-forth. by staff
that this is neither the place nor the time to approve or disapprove the
project, and certainly not to approve or disapprove zoning requirements
or variances, this whole EIR is based on the assumption that certain re-
quirements will be waived, and I find that a faulty assumption and certainly
not an acceptable one, I believe, in my opinion, the EIR should be pre-
pared to meet City ordinances'and requirements and possibly propose al-
ternatives, but for us to look at say - 400,000 cubic yards, do any of
you have any idea how many cubic yards would have to be hauled out of they-
if we were to .not waivecthat requirement for'.grades-'and-.they'.'had~to"gtade
to the extent necessary to meet City Code. We're given a document that
doesn't provide us the information and I really wonder why - I mean it's
it's certainly not descriptive, and doesn't fill the needs of someone
trying to judge the impact, Mrs. Hofer addressed an item which I think
should not be overlooked, in the last project done by Mr. ~luth, either
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by facts, his equipment or his drivers, were faulty, and that equipment
came down into the school yard. I think as part of the Environmental
Impact Report there should be - and in my opinion must be - provisions
to guarantee or insure that that - there is no recurrence of that, We
in no way can endanger those children and I think that there must be
measures taken to protect them during the proposed 18 month impact period,
Nowhere in this report do they address the impact on the roads to get the
equipment in and out. Now while I recognize Whispering Pines as a private
road, getting that equipment in and out is going to have some impac~ on ,
the surface streets and I don't propose to be a developer or an englneer
I don't know what the impact is, I do recall a year or two ago on the
Council where the county wanted to haul dirt out of one of its drainage
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canals and we had a study - we had some report - some information that
indeed, if the county did all that hauling, it would tear up one of the
roads they used to haul it on, I have no idea how much, if any, kind of
impact would, occur on one of'our streets, but I think we need to look at
those too, If some of our streets are going to get torn up, we need to
know that impact and figure it in. I for one, find it hard to accept the
concept that a minimum ADO ,000 cubic yards can be cut out of the mountain
side with - and that that amount of impact on our hillside can be mitigated,
It can only, in my opinion, create irreparable harm to Arcadia's natural
beauty, Next I'd like to address the fire safety issues, Fire safety,
in my opinion, in reading this report. was not addressed in terms of response
time, access and egress in case of unstopable fire storms, All we know
is that, there's the Whispering'Pines access and that they're gOing to
secure as part of this development a right-of-way - I'm sorry I forget
the term - but - an easement to get across that -.into Monrovia. It seems
to me a fire story regarding the speed of fire storms progress - potenti)
progress in that area, and we've had a number of fires there in the past
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and there's no reason to assume that one would not occur in the future.
Assuming potential loss of electricity, how much water to combat the hill-
side fire potentials and re"., and I believe there's a need for related
fire and earthquake disaster plan and evacuation, We're qoing to have
a - while it mentions it - that is to say it points out that yes, we have
one road in and yes, we could have a problem if fire equipment were trying
to get up that single road, and residents were trying to get out. To me
it - they haven't mitigated those circumstances they simply mention them
and then go onward. I think we have an obligation to look to the safety
and potential future of "homeowners there and the EIR is partly where we
should address some kind of fire and safety and disaster plan. It mentions
that its a - I believe a quarter to half mile away from a fault line, and
yet we - it presents this report with no geotechnical study, I - I believe
that's critical and should be done before EIR is completed, The water
usage - I have memos in - contained in the book here where Bob Berlien,
on our Water Department, has stated that - you know - we have an inadequate
water supply up there, I then have the EIR that states - you know we'll
create 20 pounds per square inch - type of pressure situation and we'll
store some 300 plus thousand gallons of water in a proposed tank, I don't
know if that's adequate, I don't know if that meets our requirements, it
seems to me I've seen studies before, they were colored - remember the
green.areas marked out where the water pressure was - we tried to identify
the parts of the City where the water pressure was below acceptable. levels,
and I believe the minimum we looked at at that time, and maybe Bob - is
Berlien here ",.'.
Forty yes, was forty pounds per square inch and yet we're proposing a
project here that going to allow them to build at twenty pounds per square.
To me, I don't think he's mitigated those circumstances, even though he's
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proposing individual pumps under the care and maintenance of the individual
homeowners to up the pressure to 40 pounds per square inch, Thats certainly
the very minimum and I think the" - the question - I don't know - is Jerry
Gardner around - whether indeed the fire safety water flow of 25 - 1200 -
Jerry what's the flow requirements? Is it 1200 or 2500 pounds per square -
GARDNER
per minute - gallons per minute?
Mayor, members of the Council - Chief Gardner, The fire flow range is
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GARDNER
anywhere from 1500 all the way up to 2500. The requirement that was placed
on this particular development was 2000 gallons per minute, based on the'
size of the homes and the fire load involved in the development.
Are you satisfied that they meet those requirements - I couldn't tell from:"
Yes sir, we have applied the minimum standards to this development, we've
indicated what would be required to bring it within our minimum standards
and the 20 p,s,i. at 2000 gallons per minute, with the - I think its
300,000 gallons, something like that, in storage at gravity in case there
is a power failure we can always get that water out, That is adequate,
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Ok.
Yessir,
Thank you, Bob, did you - may 11
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Were you satisfied - you know I'm trying to put all this together - I get
a note as from the Fire Department - you know that it wasn't - that there's
a concern there and certainly the Water Department exhibits a concern in
reading the Environmental Impact results of this proposal, are you satisfied
it meets our requirements as far as water?
BERLIEN
Yessir, it would meet the requirements for fire protection, domestic water
supply, with the exception that there are 10 lots where the water pressure
is going to be less than 40 pounds per square inch,
Now we mitigate thatl
have their own separ
or address that problem by having each of those lots
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booster pump to take the pressure, the 30 pounds. that would be there
normally and boost it to some higher level ,for - and that would supply
them with adequate pressure,
How do you feel about that? Is that sufficient?
Its a workable solution, it's not ideal, Certainly I'd like to have the
BERLJEN
40 pounds or more pressure there all the time, but we can't achieve that.
So this is a workable solution - I - it's not ideal but it I think will
sure work.
Is it - we can't achieve it because we've determined not to create a water
tower - I mean - I got the impression that a water tower of some 997 feet
would be required to supply the necessary water pressure and.""
BERLJEN
Yes, that's correct. The reservoir heighth - the reservoir should be on
a hill that's so many feet above - a hundred feet above the pads, There
is no reservoir site available that we could do that on, and that's our
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problem.
Ok, Thank you, On page 21, which is maybe a little bit redundant, referring
back to, they talk about the mitigation measures with regard to land use,
and you'll notice".",. well on page 20 it talks about the proposed develop-
ment is, quote, "generally" unquote, in compl iance with the requirements
of this lone. However, the grades, the proposed qrades exceed the 6% maximum,
and the grade on one driveway exceeds the 10% maximum. They talk about
miti~ation measures that would infact bring it possibly back to Code require-
ments, and they say these three mitigation measures may result in additional
grading or the loss of one or more developable lots, However, these measures
if implemented will ensure that no Significant adverse impact- will result.
As I said, I think the 400,000 cubic yards is already more than enough to
classify as significant, And by meeting the Code they're stated clearly
I a number of times that these numbers will increase, but they haven't said
how much, And by what additional amount, and what additional visual impact
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it will have, to cut out that amount of cubic yards. They point out time
and aoain that this cutting of the mountain will clearly impact a very
visual area, and yet its presumed to be acceptable in this EIR, and I'm
not sure how you go about that, whether in fact you say - the only way
you could say that that kind of impact is unacceptable is to turn down
the EIR when it's presented in its final draft form, or whether to raise
it as a concern at this point, I would raise it as a concern because I
think it needs to be addressed. The access and circulation on the Page
I'm not sure in reading this whether indeed, the proposed access and
culation meets the Codes, Now I understand from other notes that it
ways does not meet the Code, I think it should and I don't think
EIR should be proposed that, indeed, assumes already variances and changing
of our ordinances,'in one form or another, To Mr. Howard - the sewer impact -
while I realize that very few residences are proposed - is there an impact
vis a vis the model that we had done downstream, is there any?
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No, there is none,
Thank you, I note in the EIR on our page 37, where they're talking about
the reservoir, the applicants proposing to install an individual pneumatic
assist systems for lots 9 through 18, and it states, this is acceptable
to the City, I don't know whom has accepted it - who has accepted it. I'm
not sure it wouJd be acceptable to me, certainly the Planning Commission
has raised some serious concern about it, and would like that addressed,
I think, again this is a case of assumptions that need to be supported and
not just made. Mr. Gardner - do we have an idea of response time to that
particular area for fire equipment?
GARDNER
Yessir, our research or review of this proposed development indicated that
Fire Station #3 can respond to that area within the established response
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In this EIR they address a number of times the issue that there is no
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turn-around available on one of the lots back there?
That would be, I assume, the northernmost lot,
I believe that to be true. Its real hard for me to make out the map,
Do you consider it prudent to create a situation where you could possibly"",
those hills lend themselves to fire storms as you're more aware than I,
To put your truck in a position where it can't have a turn-around where
its got to attempt to back and jostle itself in and out, wouldn't - do
you consider it acceptable to not have that turn-around under those
conditions?
In this particular case what we have indicated is that an alternative
method or procedure for turning a fire apparatus around would be acceptable
if it met - you know the intent, and rather than have - and I believe one
of the procedures being proposed is - is to have a hammer~head where the
truck can just pull in, back- up and swing out again, just as easily as
turning in a - in the normal U-turn, and that would be acceptable alter-
native,
Do you know if thats what's been proposed here? I can't get that out of
this - I..,.
That's my understanding that that will be a requirement if this is approved,
If - thank you - I'm havin9 trouble trying to - again - find it in here I -
they indicate that the since the building pad - lot - this lot is so small
the eventual owner is unlikely to give up the part of - of a - part of it
in order as a fire department turn-around - I - I'm not sure that thats -
should be a decision made by the eventual owner - I think thats something
the City has to decide.
I a9ree and I believe that has been addressed and I don't have a copy of
that report to 'reference you to the page, but there is one paragraph in
the EIR that indicates that we would require a turn-around or an acceptable
alternative, such as I described earlier, It has to be one or the other,
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BLUTH
""sit down and try to read them no one knows what - what they're doing,
I think there's a little confusion here on this cuttinq and filling, I
think your point, that you were trying to make Mr. Bluth, was that you're
not cutting any slopes,.,.
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Correct.
...,you're cutting off the top of the hill."
Correct,
"."not the face of the hill,..
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Correct.
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I think it was with regard to the safety,.
Correct.
...factor - in terms of the face of the slope, but they 're, cuttin1. obviously
the tops off,
BLUTH
Mr, Hannah.- adjacent to my personal residence we have a slope there
that has a tremendous severe, straight drop, that has been eroding on each
rain storm,..,.
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You're going to fill that one I understand?
""that is the one that I intend to fill, That will secure the side of
HANNAH
that hill. The way that hill is today, it will continue to erode because
it's impossible for any natural growths to hang onto the hill, It's just
too steep, By going in there and filling that slope which is not a require-
ment of the project, it's a requirement to make the project safer, As you
~o in and fill the slope; properly plant'it and then you assure its safety
and its ability to withstand the storms and - through the years.
HANNAH
I have no objection to the project - I don't want you to draw any conclusion
that I'm not in favor of it, however, I think that we would be remiss in
our duties if we didn't address all of the impact that it's going to have
BLUTH
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And the visual appearance of the - of the City. So, ",
That,., .
"..that's what we're trying to do here and",.
And the only reason why I've come back up here is - hopefu~'ly to clear up -
clear any areas that you have difficulty with, that I could possibly answer,
and if I can't answer it, I will get my engineer or anyone else necessary
to those questions resolved,
Possibly while you're here you can answer ~ne more question I alluded to
earlier. Is there going to be ingress or egress from any other area other
than that one street?
There must be for fire reasons, Now there - again we're back to the Fire
Department comes in with a shopping list and says "this is what you'll do",
the Water Department comes in, the Sewer Department, each department in the
City comes in with requirements that, either I meet those requirements or
I cannot develop the project, But,.". it's a requirement.
Ok - you're going to have access to the project from some other street, other
than the one that presently services the",..
It's going to be - that's going to be a requirement of the project - yes,
There must be a secondary access.
Any other quest ions of Mr. Bl uth? Lets get back on '- I don't thi nk we have
a consensus yet on the soils report, Do we?
Mr, Mayor,
Don.
There's a gentlemen 'at the podium,
Mr, Mayor, can I say something?
Excuse me, this is a public hearing, we did close the public hearing"",
Yes, you did but,.".I'd",.
..,.unless gentlemen, you'd like it reopened, Gentlemen I'll leave it up
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to you:
It's in response to some of'Bluth's questions,
Just a second, lets answer one question at a time,
Yessir.
Can I have a motion to reopen the hearin~?
MOVE to reopen the hearing.
Second.
Ok, The hearin~ has been reopened, Please, would you state your name
and address for the record.
Yes. I'm Nick Pokrajac, from 500 Mesa Circle, Monrovia. And my property
just the east of Bluth's development project. And I just want to clarify
a couple of points, One - that there will be exposed slopes on the - on
the Monrovia side - right next to the Monrovia side - there will be cuts
that will' be exposed. Also, one other question that was - there was a
comment made that there was no site available for a tank to be - for the
storage tank. There is a site. at a higher elevation, but it is in Monrovia,
Thank you very much. If there's any questions,
Any questions of Mr, Pokrajac? Thank you.
Yes,
Yessi,r,
I'm back here again, My name is Roger Nemraba. My concern is.that Mr, Bluth
has this beautiful home up there on the top of the hill that supposedly
you people passed whatever rules had to be passed to build that one, and
now he'i tilling us that thats eroding... And I'm just kind of concerned
as Mr, Dring is, that the - you know we - somehow that was approved and
now he's telling us that that',s erodin~';,
That was approved incidently by a prior council,
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The three of us were not here,
Alright, thank you Sir, But I think that points out something here that
we're not satisfied with, now we're being told that now we've got it again,
a better idea, we're going to fill it down below and that will never happen
a9ain, and ...'.
Sir.
Mr, Bluth would you like to answer the'question on erosion of your house?
When I did the first phase of the project I had addressed the City and
asked them to correct some of the natural areas. At that time the attitude
was to leave the project, in many areas as possible, natural, Which
created most of my problems during the rainy weather, and what I'm attempt-
ing to do now is do the project right and correct a natural area that I
was required to leave the first time I did the project. By making the
fill in the one slope area there it will correct what
nature wasn't able to do. And what has occurred there is because of what
I was required to do, not what I wanted to do, Ok? So now I'm trying to
do it so I don't have the problem in the future,
Mr. Bluth before you leave, for the consideration that you've given to the
homeowners that were existing before you came on that project, be 9iven to
the homeowners that you'll be - that will be looking at you from the west
side of the your project?
I'm sorry Mr, Pellegrino,
I would like to insure you that the same courtesy that you've given the
homeowners to the south of your project be given to the west df your
project,
Absolutely,
Thank you,
Fortunately in this project we're not adjacent to any homeowners,
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Thank you.
Are you alluding to landscaping and that sort of thing, Mr. Pellegrino?
Whatever complaints they have, he's, been very considerate to the homeowners
that were to the south of him and it would be nice to have the same rapport
with the homeowners that will be looking at his project,
Yessir,
My name is Milton Inbody, 239 West Magna Vista, Arcadia, I've been
listening to all the Councilmen this evening for quite some time, I'm
not an engineer, we do have a City staff. City staff has been making
recommendations - I have heard what Mr. Bluth has said in answer to you,
Mr. Dring, and to Mr. Hannah, All of the procedures will be followed
because, and I have nothing to do'with this gentlemen here, but all the
procedures will be followed, dictated by the City, I don't understand why
there's so many questions that keep coming up in - like to cuts and fills,
and into a tank on the top of the hill, somebody's worried about it being
unsightly, City planning is going to say plan't a hundred trees around it
and its going to be done, There're procedures, its an Environmental Impact
Study, why are we still here tonight, why are the City Council still here
tonight talking about it for another hour or so, can we go on with our
business?
This is our businesS.Milt.
I think Ok.
An Environmental Impact Report is just by its title - impact on the
environment, Ok?
Absolutely. .
And while we have ordinances we've qot a book here that suggests the
impact based on not following some of those ordinances and I'm saying to
you - you want to read this and tell me what the impact is going to be
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tell you and neither can you....
Well.
And I'm suggesting to you - it's not complete, and thats what the discussion
is all about.
Ok - well I also hear the fact that Mr. Bluth did say that the City staff
is going to give him recommendations, City staff will give the City
Council recommendations, Its all got to fall in its proper place. The
impact study is going to say something,
Yes - when he applies for this permit, that permit, that permit, Meantime
we have the task of approving or disapproving an Environmental Impact
Report based on' either complete information or not complete, And you're
suggesting don't worry about it, wait until it comes up later. That's
not our job';
Well, it makes sense to me that in fact City staff will be taking care of
all of those problems that are going to come up,
Thank you r,1ilt,
Than k you
Thank you Mr, Inbody
May I just address this gentleman real quickly?
(He is speaking as he moves toward the microphone),
Anyone else?
You've got it - you've got a",.
This is a public hearing,.,.,
Yessir,
You've got a beautiful area up there with quarter million dollar - million
dollar homes, and if they're wrong they've screwed it up forever, and
that's why we're talking about this tonight,
Thank you sir, Anyone else in the audience desirous of speaking for or
against this report?
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CHUTE
MY name is Dick Chute, I live at 1939 Alta Oaks, I'm concerned like
Mr. Dring is on the 400,000 cubic feet, From what I understand that
means that hill top is goin~ to be lowered by anywheres from 75 to 100
feet, I'd like to know if that's correct?
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Mr. Bluth would you like to answer that question?
I'm sorry I didn't hear
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his seat in the audience).
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Can you restate the question?
BLUTH
CHUTE
I believe there is a variation of anywhere from 25 to about 90 feet, yes,
CHUTE
Yes, when you take 400,000 square feet off of that hill aren't you
to lower that hill approximately 100 feet?
Would it be possible, somehow, to indicate 'what that hill is goinC) to
look like in its heiCjht to the residents in that area?
BLUTH
CHUTE
May I make one more question? We bought a house up there 25 years ago,
BLUTH
and the reason we bought that house is to - because we had a view of the
hill, among other things, ' We no longer are going to be able to see that
hill when you lower it lOa - anywheres from 25 to 95 feet, Thank you.
I would say that I have the model out here, I'll be more than happy to
go over it with you in the entry, It shows you exactly the way the
hill looks today and how it's going to look in the future, In addition
to that, in order for you, where you're living, to qet an idea you should
get down on your knees and look up because that's the cut - the way you're
going to be looking at the hill, Ok. You're not going to be - when you're
looking down at the project you're looking from approximately 5,000 foot
elevation, in a plane. So the way you would look at up would be on that
kind of angle, Ok?
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Question? Please,
that built
I mentioned, as long as you're piving
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To scale.
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",.does that meet ordinance code requirements now?
Sir, that meets what I have proposed.
Ok. What would be - then lets get to the nut of it, maybe you can answer
part of my problems now, If you meant the ordinances as opposed to what
you proposed - meaning no - nothing greater than 6% grades, I think?
The last project was approved by the City, the City admitted that the
original ordinance was over-bearing and impossible on the hillside and
they altered it - that in fact a 10% grade was acceptable and they even
went to a 15% grade. ',Because they said a 6% grade was'totally without
basis for a hillside project. In addition if the project is not accepted
the way I proposed it, it's qoing to be my problem to go back and do
another Environmental Impact Report for what I suqgest. This is an
Environmental Impact Report to cover the kind of project that I'm sug-
gesting and if'it goes through - it goes through based on what has to be
done to the project, If it doesn't I got to qo back to the drawing board
and start from scratch and resubmit.
Can you tell me what the impact would be if you met code?
Hanen't even considered it,
Thank you,
Chuck while you're there"...
You know, to clarify that, if we have to do that we'll have to resubmit if
it's turned down,
councilman Pellegrino,
What do you figure the tax increment will produce to the City with a year
of development?
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When the project is complete it would probably bring in a revenue anywhere
in the neighborhood of 6 to $700,000 a year.
Not considering
Would that go to the City?
Property tax to the City. The project will have finished tab on it of
approximately around $60,000,000,00 when it's done, It'll bring in more
property tax than the race track brings in or the shopping center, when
it's completed,'
Property tax
Mr, Dring is shaking his head, Mr, Dring is shaking his head no, I'd 1
an explanation,
I'm not - I'm not a tax
Is a,..,
Take 1,1 time $60,000,000.00 Mr. Dring. What's that amount to?
6.6 right? 6 - 7, you know.,.
No, 660,
Is that our portion of the taxes?
I have no idea what your portion is.
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Yes - 1...,
I'll go back to mY original - no lets - lets try something else. Is there
anyone else in the audience who would like to speak on this item?
I don't - .Chuck, I don't think we get all that is mY point. It goes to
the County but the City doesn't get it.
I'll
Yes.
I think that....,..
Mr" Mayor I MOVE we close the public hearing.
"..,just, just a moment. Is there anyone else in the audience who WOU1dl
like to speak on this item? Ok, Councilman Pellegrino I'll take your
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motion,
Make a MOTION we close the public hearin9'
Second,
hearing
Alri0ht the public/has now been closed aqain, I will go back to my original
question in regards to the soil report. Gentlemen when do you want the
soil report?
After the approval of the EIR, as far as I'm concerned Your Honor,
Alright - Councilman Dring,
I think it should be done before - we have no way of knowing if there's
going to be a significant impact,
Ok - before, One before and one after, Councilman Hannah,
I think it's a business risk he has to take so I - I'll have it afterwards,
I feel.totally comfortable with staff's recommendation for it being'
afterwards, Ok, What is the next item you need consensus on Mr, Woolard,
That's really all,
Is that it? You've got enough information and direction? You've got
Councils concerns, you've not the Plannino Commissions concerns, and you've
got the publics concerns. Correct? Thank you very much,
I'm sorry - Mr, Mayor if I may."
Yes" ,
",.just add - I do think that maybe it's implied that whether a soils
report is done before or after a reference to this discussion of it must
appear in the EIR, and the comments related to it should appear in the
EIR, so that it's part of the public record in the EIR. The concerns, the
vote, the fact that there is many times, there's opportune time to stop
the project if the soils report comes out negative down the road, It
all has to be alluded to in the final EIR, I just - I wanted to state
that for the record, whether the report's done before or not,
That's'correct, O~
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The reason I mentioned that I felt a ~eotechnical survey should be done
prior Were two fold. One - we know from experience having sat here in
the Council and listened to people come here and - and expose their problems
with a developer vis a vis the rains and the floods and the mud that poured
down into their houses as to who was responsible and the problems resulting
from the prior development up there, We know that this kind of cutting can
create problems and should be examined closely, Two - we know that at least
400,000 cubic yards are going to be moved out and that's a very significa
chunk of that mountain. And when it's that close to a fault line you're
talkin~ about a substantial project and you can do it either way but I wou
think that the - one of the places to address is in the Environmental Impact
because what happens if you approve it and the geotechnical survey comes
back and says Mo we can;',t' cut there - you know the project's going to take
a different form - I'm not a developer I can't tell you but I think you can
get my gist - if it has to take a differenct form and shape and go a differ-
ent direction than what value is the EIR when it addressed something that
doesn't occur?
The soils report that was done on the first phase of the project - did it
address simply that area ~ or did it advance itself up the hillside into
this area?
No, it did not,
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Did not cover this p~rticular site, it was only the tract that is cur-
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Mr. Mayor.
Yes.
It's not for us to approve or disapprove it tonight, we have discussed
what we feel we'd like to see in the EIR and I "would direct
staff to take the comments from Councilman Hannah, Councilman Dring and
myself and yourself and include that in our final EIR packaging.
Ok - I think the thinq we are attempting to do with staff was
oet a little guidance here as far as -
they're concerned with the soils
report, do they want us - you know to require that up-front or would they
like that down the road,
Mayor,
Yes.
I'd like to ask Bill Woolard, in the prior project did we have a soil
report prior to the EIR?
The location of the prior tract was within,-thi,s - what's known as the
Alquist-Priolo Special Study Zone - it was in - within this earthquake
fault area, within a quarter mile of it and as a result it required a
little bit more geologic investigation up-front than this project requires.
So there was some additional geologic work done prior to that tract approval,
There was, however, detailed borings made throughout the property all
durin~ the course of the grading operation on that tract - so - I ~uess
to answer your question there was a little more done up-front and then there
was the continuous grading and soils reports that were done as a part of
the grading operation,
Well, I don't want to create a added expense to the applicant if it's
unnecessary but what do you feel is necessary that should be addressed
at this particu]ar area?
I feel it could be done either way. I think that if its done this way its -
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leaves a little bit more up in the air - I think we would expect that the
soils are probably quite similiar to those in the prior tract, if there
were any significant conditions found that would alter the - lets say
the findings in the Environmental Impact Report, then I think at that point
that issue would have to be re-raised and readdressed before the project
would be allowed to proceed. We can't all of a sudden alter
the project and end up filling another canyon or something like that for
example, because something else didn't work out because that's not what
was addressed in this EIR. The EIR is fairly specific - if the project
can't be done this way then we'd have to do some supplemental EIR work to
address any substantial changes,
Would we be brought another EIR?
It would be a supplemental EIR' if it were dealing with additional infor-
mation that was not available at this time,
You in effect don't feel that it's necessary to have a soils engineering
report prior to adoption of an EIR?
I don't feel it's necessary at this particular time with this' case,
Ok, Councilman Pellegrino,
Mr, Mayor, I'm not in favor of him doing a soil test till we approve his
EIR, With the questions that we've raised tonight - if those questions
are answered then I think you should go through the expenditure of the rest
of the - he won't be able to build till he has a soil test, and we approve
it - the Planning Department approves it. There's no reason for the addi-
tiona1 expense as far as I'm concerned,
Dave, what's your feeling on tnat?
The Planning Commission was rather firm in some of their comments and I
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the Planning Commission. I have no objection to Councilman Pellegrino's
idea but I don't know what the ur~ency of the matter is. Is there an
urgency Mr. Bluth? I realize that time is money but we want to be sure
that we're right rather than expedient.
BLUTH
Let me clear - asking for a soil report now - Mr, Dring is asking for -
is puttin~ the cart in front of the horse, Basically you have canyons, Ok,
one of the deals you have to check to find out how much alluvio, that could
mean going down 20 25 feet into the canyon, If you bore a hole that
might what be what is available at that spot and that diameter - it could
tell you very little. If there is a spring - all these types of things
are covered in City ordinance and City rules and regulation, The Soil
Engineer totally certifies the project - these are things that are taken
care of in the normal course of a project, not done in advance, because if -
we know the soil, we know what type of soil - we've already worked with
enough of it, We know the fact that in a canyon you have alluvio - by
alluvio I mean, its soft soil that comes down into the bottom of the
canyon that must be taken out and recompacted because nature hasn~t compact
it enou~h, We know those items we do not have any front facial-cut slopes
like we had in the first phase, We are not movina any dirt off the site
so there is not going to be any trucks moving dirt off the project site,
But the soil - results of the soil - to do testing is just a waste of money,
The only time you determine that is when you go into a canyon and you
totally clean out the complete canyon. At that point in time when a
grader is on a project and, at every minute the man's there there's a soil
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engineer on the project, That man is taking test borings at all times,
any fill that's done he takes a test boring, two, three times an hour those
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HANNAH
borings are registered, they are tested for compaction, they must meet
state requirements. These things are all done in the normal course of
a project, To try to even - no matter how many test borin~s you do, it
still may not answer your questions,
You know all this but we don't, You're in this business. My concern is
BLUTH
that maybe some of those slopes are too steep, and.".
Too steep?
HANNAH
BLUTH
HMNAH
too steep,
Well we're not cutting the face of a slope, we're only filling a slope,
BLUTH
That's my concern and if we get into situations where it might be unsafe
then you have a new configuration of your project.
You can't have an unsafe slope because you're controlled by the City Engineer
and by state requirements that the slopes must meet their requirements,
HANNAH
Yes - 1 ~ 1.1,.,.
BLUTH
HANNAH
BLUTH
That's correct - you must have the certain "..
,..I'm not too sure"...,.
,.,dimensions of your slope, the drainage of your slope, the benches, every
thing is controlled.
HANNAH
Yes, but is that feasible for this particular area? I don't know,
BLUTH
Absolutely.
You know""
HANNAH
BLUTH
HANNAH
Absolutely,
.,.1 don't know and we're asked to approve something that we're not really
sure of - so.."
BLUTH
Yes - see I,.".
BLUTH
;.. you know basically
... I bel ieve..,..
HANNAH
HANt-.lAH
BLUTH
"."we're sayin~ to you - you know - what is the situation."..
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"',up there, can you give us some assurance that what you say is true,
other then just have you say "it is true" and we..",
BLUTH
My engineer has,.",
HANNAH
BLUTH
".".,legal reason to disbelieve you ,,'"
",Ok, my engineer"
HANNAH
DRING
HANNAH
,.,but we're making a decision that could substantially affect this project".
See - Mr, Bluth we",.,
... ..we just want to be......,..
BLUTH
Mr, Hannah - my engineer has prepared all the necessary documentation, he
has discussed this with Mr, Howard, He has done everything according to
City and State regulations, and the project is totally safe or he wouldn't
put his name on it,
HANNAH
BLUTH
Ok,
It is - it is a - if you bui1d a house, you bui1d a house by a code.
HANNAH
Yes.
BLUTH
Ok - you can't ~o in there and just build a house anyway you desire, When
you do a fill, you do it by code - if you do not make that - meet that code
your fill is not approved, the engineer will not sign it off, If the final
plan does not meet the City requirements and the state requirements, the
City won't sign off the project until it does.
HANNAH
BLUTH
HANNAH
yes,
In other words .they will not certify the project,
One of the questions that came up at the Planning Commission was that -
BLUTH
HANNAH
or one of the statements was that there have been recent code changes,
Pardon me,
There have been recent code changes in connection with hillside developments,
are you familiar with those?
I BLUTH
HANNAH
There has been code changes?
That's what I - was stated by Mr, .,
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HANNAH
BLUTH
HANNAH
PELLEGINRO
DRING
LOJESKI
DRING
BLUTH
DRING
BLUTH
DRING
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I don't know what he is referring to.
."the gentlemen that is a soils engineer - as a matter of fact, Schaefer
Dixon.
Yes, I am not a soils engineer - I leave that up to my engineer and I
assure you that he has prepared the project according to all current codes
and regulations, both City and State,
Alright fine, thank you.
Mr, Bluth - before you leave.".. Chuck,
Wait - Mr. Bluth - I'm sorry.".
Councilman Dring.
""see I have trouble - the reason we need the information here is cause
I have trouble understanding, When you say "we aren't going to cut any-
thing, we're only going to fill it", you're going to transfer 400,000 cubic
yards - from where? If you don't cut anything how do you fill it,."
Mr, Dring I bought a model.....
I saw the model.
'" I had out here in the entry and I was out there and I would have been
more than happy to address any questions you had, to show you, to make
you more prepared for thi s meeting, That's why I brought that mode 1, and
I believe that "..,
How do you - how do you fill only without cutting? Where do you get it
from?
From the top - you have a hi" going up - you cut off the top - 'you ,put" it
into a canyon. I'll be more than happy to take you out there, show you
the model, show you the existing - what it looks like - that's to scale -
where the dirt is coming from and where it's going, That's the reason why
I had that model prepared so that visually it would make sense to
because if you come in with plans- plans if - you".,
Mr, Mayor.
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Would you be comfortable with this hammer-head type concept...
In this particular situation, yes,
Can you get your - lets suppose an engine were to arrive first - would you
be able to get a paramedic ambulance past that engine - past the turn-around
point, I' mean"is there'-enoagh".room' to maneuver?
Yes, it should be adequate, yes.
Ok - thank you, I have no idea in reading this report where they propose
as mitigation measures - no slopes greater than 1,5 to 1. Is that Mr, Howard,
an acceptable slope, is that what's in Code?
That's entirely dependent on the Soil Enqineer's recommendations after he
does the geological survey out at the site which will be required as a
part of the design process for the final plans that will be presented to
the Council for approval at a later date. As to its adequacy, that slope
was used on the lower tract and the - you're again assuming the soil
conditions are the same it probably will be safe, but that's up to the
Soils Engineer to certify.
Mr. Woolard - I'm not familiar with - enough with the requirements of EIR's -
could something like that be addressed before you approve or disapprove -
in other words contain within the EIR rather than afterwards?
It could be theoretically be done either way, Not addressina it in the EIR
would not mean a developer gets to do something that's going to be un -
unsafe if upon the subsequent geologic investigation its found that there
is a soil condition that warrants some special measures, On the other hand
if it is done as a part of the EIR than you have more information up front
on which you're making your final decision,
From the items that I've listed, and there's others, it seems to me that
it would be appropriate to reproduce this Environmental Impact Report
based on the assumptions that the project will meet the City's Code
requirements, We passed a hillside ordinance and created conditions in
that hillside ordinance with the assumption that this would be safe and
WATT!;
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WATTS
DRING
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appropriate types of conditions to be met in hillside development, To
then be forced to review and/or approve in the next pass an Environmental
Impact Report that already assumes that they don't have to meet those
assumptions and therefor not provide us the kind of information - I don't
know if the 400,000 cubic yards will go to 405 or will go to a million
cubic yards, I have no idea, cause I'~ not. a~ engine~r. "It to me is an
incomplete and insufficient, and I would suggest that the Environmental
Impact Report address these issues before being submitted in its final
form to the Council, Thank you,
Mr, Mayor.
Mr, Watts.
Yes, Councilman Dring I think there is a misunderstanding as to the pur-
pose of an EIR, So, first of all this EIR is not assuming that your City
Council will provide variances in these specific instances, The purpose
of th EIR is to respond to a specific proposal, which it is doing and when
it comes to a mitigation measure that says - that involves a variance that's
the only it can be mitigated, That's the responsibility of the consultant,
to state that, he's not saying it should be done, it's just saying, for this
specific proposal that is the mitigation measure that's necessary, To go
back to the consultant and say, now give us a proposal, redo it meeting
City Code, what you're really saying to the consultant then is redesign
the project, which is not his job, it's the owners job,
I suggest to you though, how in the world are we supposed to judge the
environmental impact if we don't have the information available in the
first place? It assumes conditions such as variances and modifications,
and presents its impact based on those assumptions and it only says that
if he doesn't get those assumptions, that there will be increased impacts,
without telling us what those increases are, or how significant they are,
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the environmental impact without those pieces of information being supplied
to us - so - where I understand your environmental impact Consultant doesn't
design the project, I'm suggesting that the conditions under which he has
to work to create a report to us, the end result - the report isn't accept-
ble in its current form, Through no fault of the Consultant, I'm saying
we need information to judge the impact based on what would happen if the
code were met, not on a lot of if come maybes, the Council mayor may not,
Planning Commission mayor may not provide modifications or variances,
If he meets code what's the impact? I have no idea,
LOJESKI
WOOLARD
Bill ,
I think that - you know - what Councilman Dring is asking is "what is the
impact of a project alternative which would comply with code", which is one
of the things that the EIR can certainly address, or should perhaps address
and - as well as a project of greater density, lesser density, what is the
impact, I think that if you have one that complies with code theoretically
then you have a base upon which you can look at the impacts of the project
as proposed.
LOJESKI
Any other comments - Mr, Hannah,
HANNAH
Yes.- I've qot a concern about the access over the private streets in this
particular area, I sat in on the Planning Commission - I'll be rather
brief - but seven out of their fifteen concerns had to do with the access,
the impact of vehicular travel, the fact that there could possibly be a
tree down which would void the access for emergency vehicles and things of
that nature, I didn't read in the EIR that there was another - another
approach to the project, is there?
LO,JESKI
I WOOLARD
Who would like to address this? Bill,
Ok, None have specifically proposed in the project - but one of the miti-
9ation measures was that there be a secondary access easement,
HANNAH
WOOLARD
HANNAH
HOWARD
HANNAH
HOWARD
HANNAH
PELLEGRINO
LOJESKI
PELLEGRINO
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In other words that would be a condition of the approval of the EIR?
Well - not of the EIR, but it would be a potential mitigation measure
which could be imposed upon the specific tentative map or R-M permit,
My only other question - I question the slopes as Councilman Dring does
and it could substantially effect the configuration and the density of
this project and I don't know whether we have any projects of a simi1iar
nature in Arcadia where we have slopes that are as steep as is being
proposed under this particular EIR, Do we? To 1 and 1,15,
The existing tract to the south that this will join has comparable slopes
1 1/2 to 1 constructed slopes - yes, certified by a qualified soils engi-
neering firm,
We will - will we getting a qualified impact report on this soils report?
It will be a requirement before we will approve a grading plan,
Thank you, Those are my only two concerns - I think they should be addressed
a little bit more fully in the EIR,
Mr, Mayor,
Councilman Pe11earino,
I think some of the questions that Councilman Dring bring up are
Mayor, maybe the developer could answer them or maybe it should have been
answered in on our EIR on Councilman Drings,
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there is a disaster plan should be set in there, Safety not only of the
future homes but of the existing homeowners below should be well considered,
A question that I didn't find - it tells us in the EIR, if the project was
not built the City would not realize additional property tax revenues, If
'the project is built - I see no figure, What would the property tax revenues
be if the development was there?
Can anyone answer that question? No.
Would the developer like to answer some of the questions to Councilman
Drings?
It would be unfair to expect Mr. Bluth
,
to respond to these questions, adlib at this point, that wasn't the intent,
I wanted them at least addressed and mentioned in the formal position that
we are now so that when they come back and prepare the final draft of the
EIR they can address those questions, I didn't raise the questions raised
by the Planning Commission, or I may have been redundant but unintentially,
because I think those need to be addressed as well, I certainly wouldn't
expect him to answer it now,
Ok - is there any modifications that Mr, Bluth is asking for in this devel-
opment? I see none - I just was wondering.
Yes - well there are in terms of the street grades and driveway grades,
Those are things ~'hich are not really at issue in the EIR and whether or
not those are granted is a subject which will be addressed at the time
the actual tract map or the R-M permit is considered,
Do you agree that while this isn't the place to approve or disapprove those
WATTS
DRING
PELLEGRINO
WATTS
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requests that the EIR should reflect the impact if there were not?
Not necessarily, but we certainly agree that the Council, if the Council
wants that additional alternative that the consultant can certainly provide
that before the final approval of the EIR,
Oh,
Jeff, I agree with you what's the purpose of the EIR if they don't address
some of those questions.
As a matter of fact we would like the Council's consensus on that very point
before the end of the discussion, I think as well as the soils situation,
which has been discussed by several of the Councilmen tonight. 14ith regar
to the latter, the soils thing, staff really feels that it doesn't make an
difference at this point it's really - we've left it up to the developer.
There's got to be a soils report before the project is up
before the Council for approval, The developer is this instance
has chosen not to spend the money now, but he's going to have to spend the
money at some point to get that information,
Councilman Pellegrino,anything else?
There's a ton of questions but the EIR does not answer a lot of the Environ-
mental Impact around to the residential community and I'm sure that the
developer answered a ton of my questions when his total liabiT'ity is his
for the rest of the project till eternity, None, Your Honor.
I have nothing more to add, What would staff like as far as direction
on this? Ik. Watts can you help us out with that?
One item would be a consensus as to whether or not the EIR should add-
ress.,., ,
Excuse me could I - before you get started on that just - most of Mr, Dring's
questions I can answer. Most of them are already answered in the
Environmental Impact Report and they're very general questions, and if
"'I
has problems with them I'll be happy to answer them on the spot,
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BLUTH
This isn't - I don't believe it's time for your response,.,
You brought up very basic questions ",.,
BLUTH
,..that have been already handled by all the departments in the City and
they're addressed in the Environmental Impact Report, So I didn't under-
stand most of your questions, because they're in there, but if you have
other questions I'll be more than happy to answer them or get the answers
for you,
DRING
Maybe it would behoove you to get a copy of the minutes to go back over
.the questions I asked, because as far as I can remember, some of the
questions I asked certainly were not answerin~ an Environmental
Impact Report, that's why I raised those questions,
BLUTH
DRING
I'll be happy to answer them for you,
Thank you
I'd appreciate it
I presume that those and
many other questions raised by the Planning Commission will be addressed
in the final Environmental Impact Report before it's presented to Council,
BLUTH
Most of your questions though were questions that you weren't familiar with
what happens or the laws or regulations, that you want clarification, and
if that's the case I can answer those questions and clarify those questions
for you on the spot. It miqht reduce the number of items that you have
prob 1 ems with,
DRING
No - because I'm not
I'm tryino to save us both time. We've got to
come back and review a final draft of this for approval - this is certainly
tonight's not approval night one way or another,
BLUTH
I'm aware of that,
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Presumably in the final one you will address questions. raised, not only
BLUTH
here, but by people and the public in general, by the Planning Commission,
and questions raised by the Council, those will be addressed in the final
Environmental Impact Report,
Oh - if you do have questions though I'll be more than happy to answer
them on the spot.
Sure".. thank you~
So that all 'questions on the project have been addressed,
I understand,
DRING
BLUTH
DRING
LOJESKI
Ok - I readdress my question" Bill I think you were about to answer it.
Thank you Mr, Bluth.
HOOLARD
In the EIR; normally all the questions which are raised
both by the Planning Commission, by the public this evening, and by the
City Council will be addressed in the EIR, including the examination of
alternative developments, which we will respond to, of course maybe a
question as it comes back to the Council, the adequacy of our addreSSing
the issues and our responses which of course can be ironed out at that time
too, One of the items of particular concern is the question regarding the
soils report, normally that has been done, it was done in the previous
project, prior to the issuance of any building permits and prior to the
issuance of the gradinq permit on the properties, If the soils
study is done initially so you know more about the potential project, you
know that there will be a problem in a certain portion of the side or if
the slope cannot be 1 and 1/2 to 1, On the other hand if it is not identified
in the EIR, again it would be something that would still nonetheless be
required in order to have the - I'll say a safe situation prior to the
issuance of those grading - builaing permits.
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TITLE III
GRANT FUNDS
APPROVED
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ROLL
CALL
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APPROVED
5c.
ARA
I RESOLUTION
NO, ARA-75
(APPROVED)
25:0904
No one else desiring to be heard, the hearing was CLOSED on
MOTION by Councilman Pellegrino, seconded by Councilman Dring
and carried, It was then MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded
by Councilman Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows
that the Cost Summary, as submitted, be APPROVED and that the
City Manager be authorized to execute the Memorandums of
Understanding.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, LOjeski
None
Councilman Haltom
It was the consensus of Council that staff be directed to begin
work on the prospects, costs and possible locations of a Senior
Citizens' Center.
Council received and considered the recommendation of the Senior
Citizens' Commission for authorization to file application for
1984-85 TITLE III GRANT FUNDS.
It was MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows ~hat an .
application be submitted for TITLE III FUNDS for soclal serVlces;
that a contract be entered into in the amount of $34,237 for the
period of July l, 1984 to June 30, 1985, and that the City Manager,
or in his absence, the Director of Recreation, be AUTHORIZED to
execute the application and the contract with the LOS ANGELES
COUNTY AREA AGENCY ON AGING.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
. It was MOVED by Councilman Pellegrino and seconded by Mayor .
Lojeski and carried on roll call vote as follows that the request
of the Youth Commission to hold a dance at the Masonic Hall on
May 18, 1984, from 7:00 to 10:00 p.m, be APPROVED.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
Council recessed in order to act as the
ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
PRESENT: Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
ABSENT: Member Haltom
On MOTION by Member Dring, seconded by Chairman Lojeski, Member
Haltom was excused. Member Hannah abstained,
The minutes of the regular meeting of March 7 were APPROVED
on MOTION by ~ember Pellegrino, seconded by Chairman Lojeski
and carried. Abstain: Councilman ~annah,
ARA RESOLUTION NO. ARA-75, adopting amended procedures for
implementation of the California Environmental Quality Act of
1970 and the regulations of the California Resources Agency, This
was ADOPTED on MOTION by Member Dring, seconded by Member Pellegrino
and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None
Member Haltom
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AGREEMENT
EXTENSION
(LARMOR)
30 DAYS
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AGENCY
/ LOAN PAID
BACK TO
CITY
25 :0905
Request of Larmor Development Company for an extension of its
Disposition and Development Agreement for reasons set forth in
staff report dated March 15, 1984, During this consideration,
Jim Nangais, 1475 S, State College Blvd., Anaheim, responded to
questions concerning minor adjustments to the configuration of the
proposed building, It was MOVED by Member Pellegrino, seconded
by Member Drinq and carried on roll call vote as follows that
the Agency AUTHORIZE Amendment No.1, a time extension of 30
days to the DDA (Schedule of Performance) such extension contingent
upon submittal of a 30 day extension of the Letter of Credit by
Larmor within seven calendar days of Agency approval, in form
approved by the Agency Counsel.
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AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None
Member Haltom
It was MOVED by Member Dring, seconded by Member Pellegrino and
carried on roll call votes as follows that $399,867,21 of the
existing loan of $920,096,51 be paid back to the City's Capital
Outlay Fund. (The tax increment fund as of January 31, 1984
indicated this cash balance of $399,867,21.)
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Members Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, Lojeski
None
Member Ha Hom
5f.
ADJOURNMENT The Agency adjourned to April 3, 1984.
6.
7,
Council reconvened,
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Herb Fletcher, 175 W. Lemon Ave. said, in part, that he feels there is
a general lack of interest in the City government by so many residents
and suggested that the press and the City Newsletter be used to convey
'information on the financial condition of the City". reserves ,. and
what it costs per month to operate,
Mrs. Johanna Hofer, 875 Monte Verde Drive spoke to an agenda item con-
cerning the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency, She was advised that the
monies involved were due the City from the Agency which the City, in
turn, reloaned back to the Agency", that if this were not approved by
Council, it could be used for whatever the City would decide, Mrs,
Hofer then suggested Council consider forming a Committee of Citizens
which would .approve capital improvement projects,.. the committee
to be from different sections of the City. '
Edward Zareh, 1051 Catalpa Road referred once again to the need for a
sound wall on the freeway and was advised that staff is currently
preparing a report as to the cost of a consultant for the preparation
of a study which would include sound readings and what it would cost
the City, if all else fails, to construct the soundwalls with City
funds, The report will be before Council on April 3. In response
to a question Mr. Zareh said, in part, that he would be willing to
contribute his fair share.
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8a,
TEC/PCE
1J.1 REMOVAL
t,.{ ') PLANT
y\ (APPROVED)
25:0906
f'
CONSENT ITEMS
APPROVED plans and specifications and AUTHORIZED the call for
bias for TEC/PCE Removal Plant for Longden Wells Nos. 1 and 2,
Estimated cost of this project is $180,500. Negative Declaration
has been prepared. (Resolution 5167 was ADOPTED later in the
meeting. See page 6 .)
8b.
WORK ACCEPTED the work performed by Gabi Construction Company, Inc,
q)ACCEPTANCE on the Concrete Gutter Program - Job No. 548 and AUTHORIZED final
Construction
Co., Inc.
8c.
WORK
ACCEPTANCE
\p\ JOB # 550
t.\ Sully
~ \ Miller
8d.
CONTRACT
,\ AWARDED
'" Vido
v." Samarzich
\ 8" Water
~ Line & Fire
Hydrants
8e.
,/ LOAN TO
V A R A
8f.
PARCEL 'I
MAP 8ff' 3
C', LOT SPLIT
1 (APPROVED)
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FIREARM
ENDORSE-
S ME NT
(DENIED) ,
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, NO.
O. 23139
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EXTENSION
ACCEPTED the work performed by Sully Miller, Contractor - surface
reconstruction of the Bonita, California, Diamond, Fano, Genoa
ana Lucille Streets - Job No, 550 and AUTHORIZED final payment
pursuant to the terms of the contract. It was noted that $147,000
was approved for the project from CDBG Funds and the 1983 Jobs Bill
Funds, Final amount was $127,506.16.
AWARDED contract for installation of 8" water 1 ine and fire hydrants
at Haven Avenue and Lorena Avenue to Vido Samarzich, Inc. in the
amount of $23,043, Irregularities and informalities in the bid
or bidding process were waived and the Mayor and City Clerk were
AUTHORIZED to execute a contract in form approved by the City
Attorney.
APPROVED the loan of $399,867.21 from the Capital Outlay Fund back
to the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency Project Fund in order for the
Agency to use same to further pay expenses and buy property pursuant
to the direction of the Agency.
AUTHORIZED the Department of Public Works to APPROVE and EXECUTE
the subdivision agreement for a tentative parcel map'8~3, proposed
lot split to create two lots from one lot at 205 W. Norman Avenue.
DENIED the request of Lou Little for permission to carry
firearm,
THE ABOVE CONSENT ITEMS WERE APPROVED ON MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
PELLEGRINO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DRING AND CARRIED ON ROLL CALL
VOTE AS FOLLOWS:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, and Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
Consideration of a request for a six-month extension for Tract
23139 at 250 Colorado Blvd. On recommendation of the Planning
Department, it was MOVED by Councilman Pellegrino and seconded by
Councilman Hannah and CARRIED on roll call vote as follows that
a six-month time extension be granted (Oct, 6, 1984).
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah and Lojeski
None
Councilman Pellegrino
Councilman Haltom
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9a.
ORDINANCE
NO, 1788
(ADOPTED)
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9b,
ORDINANCE
NO, 1789
(ADOPTED)
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9c,
RESOLUTION
NO. 5167
(ADOPTED)
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9d.
CLAIM
DENIED
(W,Applebee)
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The City Attorney presented for third time, explained the content
and read the title of Ordinance No. 1788, entitled: "AN ORDINANCE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA AMENDING ARCADIA
MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 9233,10 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE RECLASSIFYING
A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT 285 WEST HUNTINGTON DRIVE FROM R-l AND
S-l TO C-O & H (PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WITH A HIGH RISE OVERLAY)
WITH SPECIFIED CONDITIONS AND STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERA-
TIONS, "
It was MOVED by Councilman Hannah, seconded by Councilman .
Pelle9rino and carried on roll call vote as follows that Ordinance
No, 1788 be ADOPTED: .
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
Councilman Dring
Councilman Haltom
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The City Attorney presented for the second time, explained the
content and read the title of Ordinance No. 1789 entitled: "AN
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA AMENDING SECTION 9233.7 OF THE
ARCADIA MUNICIPAL CODE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 15 WEST
ST. JOSEPH STREET AND 300, 312 and 318 ROLYN PLACE FROM M-l
(PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT) TO C-M (COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING
ZONE)" .
It was MOVED by Councilman Hannah, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows that Ordinance
No. 1789 be ADOPTED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
The City Attorney presented, explained the content and read the title
of Resolution No, 5167, entitled: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA APPLYING TO THE CALIFORNIA STATE DEPARTMENT
OF HEALTH FOR AN AMENDED PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A TCE/PCE REMOVAL
PLANT AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY THEREFOR",
ADOPTED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
Counctlmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino, and Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
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On recommendation of the City Attorney the claim of W. Applebee was
DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
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CLAIM
(. DEN lED
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CLAI~1
t. DENIED
'I (S,Chung L iu)
99,
CLAIM
( DENIED
\' (A.
Malinowski)
10.
OLYMPICS
:A CONTRACT
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& LATC
APPROVED
IN MEMORY
OF
MONSIGNOR
JAMES WALSH
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LOJESKI
IN ~lEMORY
OF
CAROLYN
AUGUSTA
KEITH-HALL
NEILSON
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On recommendation of the City Attorney the claim of W, Hoffman
was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Hannah
On relommendation of the City Attorney the claim of S, Chung Liu
was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino. and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Haltom
On relommendation of the City Attorney the claim of A, Malinowski
was DENIED on MOTION by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman
Pellegrino and carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
,
Councilmen Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
None
Councilman Haltom
MATTERS FROM STAFF
Staff advised that an agreement has now been reached between the
Los Angeles Olympic Organizing Committee, the Los Angeles Turf Club
and t~e City of Arcadia regarding Olympic events, The agreement
with the contracting parties sets forth a reasonable cost commit-
ment ~ith leeway and flexibility to cover most circumstances, It
was MOVED by Councilman Drina, seconded by Mayor Lojeski and
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carried on roll call vote as follows that the contract be APPROVED
and that the Mayor and City Clerk be AUTHORIZED to execute same~
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
I
Councilman Pelle9rino asked that the meeting be adjourned in memory
of Monsi9nOr James Walsh, the brother of the Rev. Robert Walsh of
Holy Angeles Church. Monsignor Walsh was born in Ireland August 2,
1912 and passed away on March 6, 1984, At the time of his death,
Monsignor Walsh was the founding pastor of St, Louise Catholic
Church in Covina, CA.
. I alsJ would like to adjourn the meeting this evening in honor of a
very ~ine lady, aged 87, by the name of Carolyn Augusta Keith-Hall
Neilson -- she was my wife's grandmother, She passed away on March 6,
1984 in St, George, Utah, She was born on June 28, 1896,' She
was a Ivery active member of the LDS Church in Southern Utah and
served in the past as a St. George Temple Worker, President of the
YOUng!Ladies r~utual, President of \,ashington Relief Society, She
was a State Sunday School Board Member, primary teacher, choirster
and o~ and on. She was the vice-president of the American Legion
Auxiliary, a Captain in the Daughters of Utah Pioneers and was a
reporter for the Washington County News for twenty-five years,
Her SUrvivors include one son, McKay Neilson of Arcadia, two
brothers, one in Overton, Nevada and one in Granada Hills, two
sons, IRodney Neilson and Paul Neilson, both were killed in World
War II. Funeral services were held on March 10, 1984 in Washington,
Utah and internment was in the Washington City Cemetery. I would
like to appropriately adjourn the meeting in her honor."
Counc i 1 men
None
Counc il man
Dring, Hannah, Pellegrino and Lojeski
Ha 1 tom
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ADJOURNMENT
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The meeting adjourned at 10:10 p, m. to 7:00 p, m, April 3.
1984,
ATTEST:
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City Clerk
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