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INVOCATION
PLEDGE OF
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ROLL CAIJ.
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APPROVAL
YOUTH
COMMISSION
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CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA
and the
ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 21, 1980
The City Council and the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency of the City of
Arcadia met in a regular session on October 21, 1980 at. 7:30, p.m. in,
the City Hall Council Chamber.
Rev. Thomas Cherry, Christian Center of Arcadia.
James Grave of Arcadia Boy Scout Troop No. 105.
PRESENT:
ABSENT :
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
PRESENT:
ABSENT :
Agency Members Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
On MOTION by Councilman Saelid, seconded by Councilman Gilb'and carried'
unanimously the minutes of the regular meeting of October 7, 1980 were,
APPROVED.
PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION
TO RETIRING YOUTH COMMISSION MEMBERS AND
APPO INTMENT AND INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBERS.
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It was MOVED by Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Dring and,
carried that Greg Ceniceros and Traci Lauderdale be appointed to!the'
Youth Commission for the term from November 1980 to October 1981.,
(They are both from the Sophomore Class at the Arcadia ,High School.),
Credentials were presented to each.
Councilman Gilb then presented Certificates of Appreciation to the,follow"-
ing retiring Youth Commissioners: During this presentation Marc Mueller"
Youth Commission Advisor, participated and was commended ,for his efforts'
and accomplishments.
John Piccari
Karen McKenzie (reelected to term until June 1981)
Tim Goeppinger
Ben Thoma s
Annamarie Gondosch
Lisa Luchetta
Councilman Gilb noted that Janie Richter will henceforth attend the City
Council meetings on behalf of the Youth Commission.
Mayor Pellegrino announced that there were six awards given by the State
to California Reserve Police Officers. Two of the awards were received,
by Arcadia Reserve Officers - Emile Moldovan and Michael Daleo - Mr. Moldo-
van was presented with a Certificate in recognition and appreciation for"
his outstanding service to the community. Mr. Daleo will receive his Cer-
tificate at a later date.
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CONSULTANT
AGREEMENT
APPROVED
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Reconsideration of amendment of agreement with Wilbur Smith and Associates
for transit consultant services. This matter had been continued from Octo-
ber 7 for additional information concerning the fixed fee of $2000. The
AS s istant City Manager explained that the Consultants have revised the
proposed amendment by reducing the fixed fee amount from $2000 to $1000
which is an additional incentive by the firm of Wilbur Smith and Associates
to retain its senior person, Dan Benson, on the project.
Councilman Dring MOVED to approve the amended agreement with the deletion
of the fixed fee of $1000. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
It was then MOVED by Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Saelid and
carried on roll call vote as follows that the revised amended Agreement
be APPROVED and that the Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to execute
the Agreement in form approved by the City Attorney.
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AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
Councilman Dring
None
Request of the Best Disposal Company for an increase in its residential
refuse collection rates. Staff noted that the current five year agree-
ment with the company will expire March 1, 1984. The last rate increase
approved by the City Council was effective March 1, 1979. The Consumer
Price Index has increased 21% since the last increase. Staff report dated
October 16, 1980 sets forth in detail the various services being requested
for increases.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and James Green, 305 N. Old
Ranch Road, asked how much was realized the last time a 28% increase was
granted the Company. Robert Andrews, attorney for the subject company,
responded in part that he did not have the exact figure but that from 1970
to 1979 there was one increase granted which amounted to 70~ on a residen-
tial unit ... that with the increase being requested the amount would mean
approximately $200,000 to $210,000 per year to Best Disposal. Mr. Green
continued in part by submitting increases granted by other cities within
the area .. none were the percentage being requested by Best. He felt
the request is unusually high.
Ed Passmore, 1109 Columbia Road, referred to utility rates which are con-
stantly increasing, the excessiveness of Social Security and the like...
that SOmething has to be done about the economy of the country. He felt
Best Disposal is entitled to some increase and in response to a comment
by Councilman Gilb concerning the increase in fuel costs, insurance and
labor costs which Best is experiencing, Mr. Passmore said in part that he
has had to make cutbacks too and the situation is not the same as two
years ago.
During the consideration Mr. Andrews submitted in part that Arcadia is
unique in that there are many very large lots with a lot of shrubbery;
that it is not uncommon for a resident to put out 8 to 12 containers along
with plastic bags. He noted that they pick up anythi,ng. The cost of I
dumping was also explored and he said in part that governmental entities
must start to realize that dumping is an upcoming problem '" he felt that
it is time to start thinking in terms of buying incineration systems and
reclamation plants ... that much refuse is coming in from the East Coast
where it costs between $35 and $50 for curbside service ... and that dumps
back there are charging up to $40 per ton.
Councilman Saelid said in part that the City is endeavoring to obtain
the very best service possible for the residents and for the least amount
of money.. that he felt some consideration is due because of the increase
in gasoline costs, diesel fuel costs, is warranted, but he has difficulty
with a 40.6% increase '" that this must be reviewed to ascertain what is
rea sonab le.
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It was MOVED by Councilman Saelid, secmded by Councilman Haltom that
the public hearing be closed. THIS MOTION lATER WITHDRAWN AS IT WAS THE
CONSENSUS OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT IT DESIRED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
Councilman Haltom submitted in part that Best has a contract to fulfill
and noted that an increase in commercial rates is not being requested
which indicates to him that residential is absorbing the additional cost
of the commercial. He also questioned the fact that an escalating clause
was not part of the contract. Mr. Andrews responded to this and said in
part that the opposite of Councilman Haltom's remarks is true - that they
have increased commercial rates. Councilman Saelid said he would like to
have some information as to what the commercial increases have been so
he could ascertain what share of the burden is being asked of the resi-
dential property owners.
Councilman Saelid then MOVED to continue the hearing to the next regular
meeting (November 4). Seconded by Councilman Haltom.
In agreeing with the observations made by Councilman Haltom relating to
fulfillment of the contract Councilman Dring referred to a request made
by city employees to accelerate increases in their contract. This was
declined by the City Council on the basis that there was a contract
which was to run another year. This to him was a wise and prudent de-
cision. He felt that renegotiation with Best at this time would not be
wise. He would like to see the financial statements for the last two
or three years ... also information on the impact of the unionization of
the company employees.
Councilman Gilb explored in part the background of the company -- the
trust placed in it by the City and vice versa .. He noted the price of
fuel these days, the insurance, etc. He would like to review figures
at 5%, 10% and on up ... an escalating scale.
Roll call vote was then taken on the motion to continue the hearing.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
The Planning Director explained the draft Environmental Report for the
proposed General Plan, Redevelopment plan and zone change for the East
Huntington Drive redevelopment area .. that this hearing has been sched-
uled in order to afford the public the opportunity to comment on the po-
tential environmental impact and/or mitigation matters which may be asso-
ciated with the proposed project. If the proposed changes are made sub-
sequent environmental documents may be required for future proposed con-
struction projects. Following this hearing the final environmental im-
pact report will be prepared for the City Council's certification at a
subsequent meeting ... the final EIR which must be certified by the Coun-
cil consists of the following:
1. Draft Environmental Impact Report for any corrections, additions
or deletions thereto.
2. Comments and recommendations received on the Draft EIR.
3. List of persons, organizations and public agencies commenting
on the draft EIR.
4. Responses of the City to significant environmental points raised
in the review and consultation process.
Staff noted that the Planning Consultant
assisted in the preparation of the EIR.
representing said consulting firm.
firm of Beland and Associates
He then introduced Kay Beyer,
Kay Beyer, 627 S. LaFayette Place, Los Angeles, stated in part that the
project under consideration is a 40 acre redevelopment project bounded
on the north by the freeway, on the south by the railroad right-of-way,
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MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
SHERRY
PASSMORE
1109
Columbia Rd.
MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
SHERRY
PASSMORE
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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on, the west by Second Avenue and on the east by Fifth Avenue. Chiefly
among the uses are a 300 room hotel and various garden offices, two or
thr~e stories in height, and mid-rise offices five to eight stories in
height. There are uses which are proposed to remain which will not be
alt~red by the project which includes the Derby R~staurant and the Dat-
sun dealership. She' felt the level of detail provided in the report is
sufficient to take care of the majority of uses which would be envision-
ed. Traffic is the most significant impact that the area would have to
deal with and that they have prepared a worst case analysis in terms of
total traffic in the area. Air quality impacts are related directly to
the traffic impacts. She then said io part that there are approximately
40 dwelling units in the area at this time with no exact number of resi-
dents living in the project area. They will be offered benefits and assis-
tance by the agency to relocate them and made reference to the State law
which is very specific about this.
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In response to questions by Councilman Dring concerning the concept of
abandonment of Third Avenue staff advised that it has not been discussed
with Republic Development Company; that it is a little premature at this
time. The City Manager submitted in part that the Third Avenue frontage
along Huntington Drive in order to aggregate and make for a commercial
use needed to come about but a means of ingress and egress must be pro-
vided for those units on Third Avenue during the interim, so the question
of closing a portion and opening a portion has been up for discussion but
has been held in abeyance contingent on the developer's proposal which
would be acceptable to the City Council. It was also submitted by staff
that it is so serious that Council should reconsider the work it is go-
ing to do on Third and Santa Clara.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and the following testimony
was submitted and reported herein in full as required:
"This is a public hearing, so at this time I will entertain opening the
public hearing for those in favor of this item on the agenda. Those
opposed?
I would like to ask some questions, I'm a little confused regarding what
the notice in the newspaper and your agenda stated was that this was to
conclude an EIR which would cover the zone change, general plan change
and a redevelopment plan change. I do not know how we can speak to one
without the others because by State law no change can be made in the re-
development plan unless it conforms to the zone and the general plan of
the City. I wish to ask if the proper notices were sent to the proper
owners of property within the area; how long ago this notice was put in
the newspaper; how many weeks it has been running that this would be a
hearing and how long according to the law for EIR reports we have to make
our writing?
Excuse me, Mrs. Passmore - I don't think we are going to memorize all
your questions - I think we should take two or three of them at a time
if we are going to address them. We'll address this to Mr. Woolard or
our City Manager.
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I think I can answer most of the questions. First of all, again the
action that is being taken tonight does not in itself approve either a
general plan change, a redevelopment plan change, text change or zone
change. This is strictly for the preparation of this environmental impact
document which is to help the Council in making those future decisions.
This particular hearing was noticed in accordance with the provisions set-
forth in the State Guidelines. There was a notice published in the paper,
I don't have the exact date.
How long ago?
It was published at least thirty days prior to tonight's meeting.
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PLANNING
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PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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Was it published once or was it published once every week?
It was published once.
I think by law you are supposed to publish it once a week for thirty days
before.
That's not what the State Guidelines call for.
The Health and Safety Code calls for it - anytime you do a redevelopment
plan change.
We are not doing a redevelopment plan change - we are doing an environ-
mental impact report. When it gets to that particular type of change
that additional noticing will have to be done in accordance with the laws
governing those types of amendments. There's going to be lots of subse-
quent public hearings again for the general plan, for the redevelopment
plan, for text amendment and for the zone change and all of these things
have different types of noticing requirements. S~me are setforth in
State law such as what you mentioned regarding redevelopment plans. Others
are contained in the 'City codes. This was noticed in accordance with the
State Guidelines governing enviropmental impact reports.
Okay - I am still at somewhat of a loss to see what you hope to gain to-
night. The public has been asked to comment on an open-end plan or a
change that is not concrete. There seems to be some issues that were
not addressed in the economic or the EIR in regards to the economic an-
alysis or the impact of this plan in the EIR for the redevelopment area
as such. Meaning that, you need to, by law, put a report io how the taxes
and the property base in the area is going to affect different various
taxing agencies. As you know and I hope our public will wake up to find
out, that even though values in property may increase because of a project
area the taxes received from those value increases do not go to our City,
does not go to our Police Department, our Fire Department or, our schools.
It goes right back to your redevelopment agency and I believe you are
supposed to notice the County of Los Angeles and any other taxing agency
that may be affected by this redevelopment whether it is good or bad to
invite them to report on your EIR report. We have sections 33369 of the
Health and Safety Code which provides for any expenditures of City proper-
ty or money, or efforts that you need to do in regards to this plan and
I don't see how you can talk about it because you don't know what you are
going to do yet. At the time that this is considered it is supposed to
be in the EIR for evaluation. In other words, if the citizens of Arca-
dia are going to use any City funds, or you as a city, to do anything with-
in the project area we are supposed to have that information at the time
tha t we consider an EIR report. Otherwise we can't make the proper an-
alysis.
Excuse me, Mrs. Passmore, if you are going to insinuate certain criteria
I wish you would take a pause for our staff to reciprocate at least one
or two of your questions instead of going on and then coming all the way
back.
Okay.
I don't think I can respond, at least not entoto. Again, we are deal-
ing with an environmental impact report on what is in essence a fairly
broad and general document, which is recognized by the State and in the
guidelines they state that by nature an environmental impact report on
something such as a general plan amendment does have to be somewhat broad
and general and this is why there may be subsequent environmental documents
required for specific projects in the future that may occur within this
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MAYOR
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PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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PASSMORE
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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PASSMORE
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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area. The questions you are ra1s1ng regarding shifts in taxes and stuff
is not something that is normally addressed in an environmental impact
report.
It is when it is in regards to a redevelopment project. It has been in
other cities and there have been lawsuits because of that fact - the fail-
ure to address the proper issues. All I want us to do is if we are going
to go into something that we do it legally and do it as right as possible.
There is also another issue that was failed to be addressed here. I did-
n't have time because I just found out about the EIR report tonight to
really go into it deeply but I noticed the sources that you invited to
speak to this EIR and some of the most important ones that needed to ad-
dress the project or the EIR were not asked to comment and one was our
school district. Another was our police department and our fire depart- I
ment for the City of Arcadia. There is going to be an impact regarding,
if a hotel comes in, police and fire services. What we need to understand
is if there is going to be development in the area there is going to be
required extra services there. Are we going to, as a city, ask the re-
development agency to provide funds to the City to take care of the in-
creases in those costs of services. We have to think about these things
before we start adopting open-ended policies and projects that we don't
know what we are really adopting yet. We also need to see regarding the
neighborhood impact what will happen - okay, to the schools around and
the people living in the area. It states very specifically as she stated
before me there are specific rules and guidelines that must be addressed
when you are dealing with moving or removing residents to another area.
In that vein the Project Area Committee, which by law is supposed to rep-
resent moderate-low income homeowners in an area was also supposed to have
been inVited to make comments on the EIR and I notice they are absent here.
Any other organizations within the area should have been asked to make
comments regarding the EIR. Many of them were not invited to speak to it.
As taxpayers of this City we need to address ourselves to a tool which can
change not only the economic base of a city but the physical-base of a
city and we need to do it with counting all our facts and knowing where
we are going and I suggest that possibly in the future if you are going
to have as you said other public hearings which you need to do by law
that you include a little bit more information and you include the proper
people to be notified so they can come and address you properly. The
County of Los Angeles was not even sent a notice of our EIR and there are
specific guidelines in the redevelopment law that they are also supposed
to be notified when something like this happens.
Is that true, City Manager or Mr. Woolard?
Again, we are not dealing with redevelopment law in this thing. Environ-
mental impact reports were sent out to most of the agencies, County Flood
Control, they were sent to police and to fire departments. Their comments
will be included as part of the final environmental impact report.
I'm sorry - okay, if they were sent to them, they are not on the list.
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That is correct - the final impact report requires this listing of the
agencies. The draft EIR does not require this listing be provided and so
it is not, the list that is in the draft is not an all encompassing list
as to who received and commented on this report.
Will the public then after you receive those reports be able to view them
in time to make their final comments? Also, I would like to know what the
legal time limit is in order to make our comments in writing regarding the
EIR? Does it start from..tonight or after you adopt it? Or, what are your
guidelines here?
Well, I think the, it is kind of an ongoing deal but the intent of the
original published notice was that there would be the period of time from
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PASSMORE
PLANNING
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PLANNING
DIRECTOR
SHERRY
PASSMORE
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
SHERRY
PASSMORE
CHARLES GILB
I Counc ilman
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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PASSMORE
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that publication date to the time of tonight's meeting at which this
matter would be heard, during which people could make written comments
regarding the environmental impact report and if they didn't make written
co~ents then of course they would have the opportunity at this meeting
to make verbal comments or questions such as you are doing.
How many days is that from the time you first noticed?
Well it has been an excess of thirty days from when we first noticed.
What is the legal requirement? I am trying to find out how much time.......
There is no legal requirement. They state, suggest thirty days and I
think the Council has by resolution, indicated that the City should have
a thirty day period but there is technically no legal requirement.
So, in other words this is the last time anybody can address you regard-
ing this E IR report?
Unless Council holds the hearing open and continues it, that's correct.
Okay, well, r'll try to give you some short comments. Bascially, going
into redevelopment we've had an area declared blighted. Basically we've
got most of, a lot of the area belongs to the City and if the City has
allowed its property to go blighted and is using that as an excuse to
bring redevelopment in, I think we should recheck our value system. Re-
cently there was an appellate court decision regarding it, which recon-
stituted and tightened up the definition of blight. Within that appel-
late court decision from the Supreme Court of California it states very
specifically the role of government as it should and should not be and
I will only read you basically one sentence of the whole review by the
judges. It says, Private enterprise may embark on such speculatively,
competitive enterprises under present laws, public entities may not. Now,
if you are in turn handing Republic Development Company or Hometel your
blessing to develop on behalf of the City I would suggest that for pro-
tection of the City and the taxpayers within the City you ask Hometel or
Republic Development to put an indemnity clause within your contract. In
other words, anything that they may do on behalf of this project that may
cause a lawsuit to be brought should be taken care of at their expense
and not the City's. Because if you are going to give them full rein to
do the development and to negotiate we need to protect the City and the
taxpayers on sometimes unfair situations that arise and in sometimes il-
legal situations. So I'm asking that within your last comments or any
adopted contract or agreements to sell, negotiations, that you ask that
the City be indemnified from any lawsuits.
I just wonder what that has got to do with the EIR?
Perhaps I can comment on that. The process that the City is going through
in this environmental impact report and the changes that may be made do
not directly have anything to do with Republic Development Company and
only kind of indirectly the redevelopment process. These changes if made,
will result in the general plan amendment and zone changes, etc., which
would have to be followed by anybody, be it Republic or any property own-
er within the area who seeks to develop their own property. It is just
like making a zone change in any othe; part of town. Be it through re-
development or totally private inve?tment, guidelines are being set up
that they would have to follow. -
Are you trying to say that you will hold a separate EIR for the redevelop-
ment when that zone change is within the plan? And you will also hold
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DIRECTOR
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MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
SHERRY
PASSMORE
MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
SHERRY
PASSMORE
MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
SHERRY
PASSMORE
MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
PlANNING
DIRECTOR
MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
MS. BEYER
Consul tant
Beland &
Associates
RICHARD
HALTOM
Councilman
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some more EIR reports, so when you do your redevelopment we will address
EIR's to each specific development or is this to be the broad covering of
it all?
This is hopefully to cover it all - to cover the development of that area
and the impacts resulting from that development, be it one way Republic
or be it private sector.
I just would like to remind you that there are specific laws designating
what you can do and what you can't do; who can vote and who cannot vote.
Mrs. Passmore, are you insinuating that we would do something that
wouldn't do or .......
Not knowingly. I am just suggesting that there are already.. okay, I
things that were left out that should have been in here, that should have
been addressed by law and whether, I'm not stating that you knew that you
did it or anything else, I am just bringing it to your attention so it can
be taken care of.
I'm sure that you are aware that the City has a staff that's aware that
there is the right way and the wrong way to do things.
I am also aware that cities do do things and get in trouble once in a
while too.
Not with the public that we have.
Yes, with our public. That's why this decision right here before me was
brought because the City had a different idea of what blight versus what
the Supreme Court said what was blight. Thank you.
Anyone else opposed to this amendment or this public hearing in the audi-
ence?
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in favor or
volved in.
issue.
would like to submit - it is really not a question of being
against, it is really a fact finding hearing that we are in-
There are really no pros or cons on this on this particular
Thank you.
Ms. Beyer did you want to add something?
I wanted to take the opportunity and I guess it has somewhat gone by but
Mrs. Passmore referred to a part of the EIR which is on page 59 which is
the list of organizations and persons consulted. I think it is important
to understand this is intended to be the list of organizations and persons
consulted during the preparation of the document itself, not those persons
to whom the document was to be circulated. These were just people that we
consulted for information on possible effects and about the project itself.
We are having a little problem here in that some of us think that we have I
a sewer situation and some of us don't but that is inconsequential. What
is a consequence is the only place I can find that the EIR has addressed
the sewage disposal is on page 43 and unless there is a lot more than I can
see there they haven't addressed it to any degree that tells me anything.
I mean they haven't told me that the sewers are or what their capacity is
or that they will take a hotel or whatever we are going to throw up on
Second Avenue or any of these other buildings; if they would take the sew-
age from these buildings without causing a problem further down the line
in the sewage system. What I'm saying is how can they make this evalua-
tion when we are having our sewer study and the study has not come back?
Understood. The specific kinds of questions you are asking or what happens
to the particular sewers in the project area? I could refer you to Appen-
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dix E which is a memorandum from your Public Works Director, pardon me,
your Assistant City Engineer. The appendices are not numbered - it is
Appendix E which is about two pages from the back. Existing sewer system
will adequately service the proposed development. Granted, that we will
know a great deal more when your sewer plan is completed but based on the
findings of your City Engineer we felt we had sufficient information at
this time to say that there is no identifiable significant impact right
now.
In other words, is that what you're saying that as of
is no impact but depending upon what the building is.
saying, Councilman Haltom.
this minute there
Is that what you're
What we are saying is that we showed the project description including the
numbers of square footages of the hotel and the office structures and what
have you to the City Engineer and based on what he knew of the conditions
with the sewers and what he knew of the existing loading of those sewers
that he could not determine a significant impact from the proposed project.
I think the bottom line on this is that based on the size of the sewers
that are in that location, the existing and potential amount of sewage
which would be generated by the maximum development could be accommodated
in that size of sewer line.
But you don't know how much sewage is passing through. I'm not trying to
argue the point. I'm arguing no different with the EIR than I would with
a housing development. What I'm saying is if you don't know how much
sewage is going through the lines how can you make an evaluation? And,
if you do know how much sewage is going through the lines then why are we
paying for an evaluation?
We ca n have our consultants analyze this project area in their computer
modeling of our sewer system but based on our experience and the size of
lines that are in the area and the grades that those lines were installed
to, we feel that they are adequate for the proposed development. Now,
more ana'lytical analysis through this computer model is being put together
by our consultants. If there are any problems we're going to know of it
early December when they complete this.
Will we know before we have passed this EIR? Don't get me wrong I'm not
against the study for the sewage thing, I think it's a great idea, I think
we really need it. What I'm saying is - won't the information that we
gain from that be pertinent to this and if it is pertinent can we have the
information accelerated - 'in other words ask them to study this specific
area and the laterals that encompass this area so that we can know because
it could significantly cost us a lot of money if we find out after we de-
velop the area that we have to change the sewage system in that area. I
don't know how the sewage system is layed out.
........the engineering thing is the responsibility of the developer.
I understand but I think what Councilman Haltom is saying is)the sewage
lines over there are adequate to take it but where does it go from there
and if it all meets together in South Arcadia .....
Our sewage goes into County trunk lines on Live Oak, then the County Sani-
tation District handles it from that point on providing the treatment, wa-
ter reclamation, what have you, but insofar as the environmental impact
report if you approve the report you're not locked into it. If we find,
based on the sewer deficiency in the Master Plan Study, there is a possi-
ble problem there, then we will address it then and each developer is go-
ing to be required to take whatever remedial action we deem is necessary
so that we are not saddled with a serious problem.
CITY MANAGER The same would hold true, Councilman Haltom, if we had a subdivision tract
map come in and the lines that were adjacent to the tract were at capacity.
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COUNCILMAN
HALTOM
EDWARD
PASSMORE
1109 Columbia
Rd.
COUNC ILMAN
DRING
PLANNING
DIRECTOR
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It would be the responsibility of the developer to bring a parallel sewer
to a point where adequate capacity downstream exists in a line where he
can enter and that determination is made at the time you know the precise
land use and the calculations are made and we're required to have approval
of the Sanitation District and they approve the connections to the sewer
and it would be brought out at that time as part of the overall development
plan'.
Thank you, that's what I wanted to know.
My understanding is that this is the last chance to talk about any impact
on the environment in this neighborhood and since that's it, I figured I
better say something off my heart. The next 20th century is gone on the
environment for this neighborhood. I think perhaps one of the ugliest
things in town is the freeway where it is elevated and while riding along
on the elevated portion freeway there are two things that have struck me
as absolutely ugly and frightening and destroying the beauty of Arcadia.
One is an absolutely beautiful building called Towne Center but it is
ugly amongst our trees, all by itself standing up there. It is a shock.
The other thing is what we have done to our mountain. We've just chewed
it to pieces, destroyed the beautiful natural greenery shrubs up there
we had at the top of the mountain and we are putting edifices up there.
And my understanding is this undefined plan is going to put some more
highrise up. When I get up on my roof to work on my antenna and I look
at the trees and I look at the mountains it's beautiful to see all these
trees and nothing sticking up above them. I think it's a dastardly thing
to do to our town to stick anything up above the trees. You've got enough
land over there; two stories that stay below the trees. plant trees and
build below them. That's my very personal feeling about environmental
impact physically. The second thing is I've heard years and years and
years and I agree the City has very competent, highly professional staff.
I do not know why we waste all our money hiring consultants to do all this
stuff. I wish you would stop that and just do your own. I mean it's not
going to be much different. Than you very much,
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Maybe it's Tuesday and I'm tired but what is this EIR doing for us? I
would guess we could have had one made up for a 15 story building or a
bunch of them or whatever we want so we can get what we want - there is
not a heck of a lot of argument there but what is it doing for us? We're
going to turn around and need, I believe the term is, site specific environ-
mental impact reports when we know what the heck we're doing and that's
the problem. I still can't figure out what the heck we're doing and this
testifies to it. What does this do for us?
This is the wonderful world of State regulations now. The State says
that you have to prepare an environmental impact report for any project
and they use a broad definition of project, such as a general plan amend-
ment, tex,t change, or any project which may have an impact on the environ-
ment. Therefore we thought that this change in the area may have an im-
pact, therefore we had to prepare this document. It's possible that the
results of the environmental impact report could have shown that the sew-
age capacities would be exceeded by this maximum development. That air
pollution under some other circumstancesmay have been made intolerable
f' ,
or example, if we were considering a plan, of some sort that was going
to generate some sort of air pollutants. In our particular urban setting
with this type of development it would be probably somewhat rare to find a
project that would have a substantial adverse impact on the environment.
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DIRECTOR
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MAYOR
PELLEGRINO
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DIRECTOR
COUNC Il~IAN
GILB
PLANNlllG
DIRECTOR
HEARING
CLOSED
FlllAL EIR
TO BE PRE-
PARED
I HEARlllG
Appeal
(Baker)
APPROVED
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The net result of this was to go through this exercise to find out if there
were any substantial environmental impacts. If there were to identify them
so that when the Council goes through its subsequent hearings that those
adverse impacts would be taken into consideration. You can approve and
certify an environmental impact report that finds that the project will
have a half dozen substantial adverse impacts. Then it becomes the burden
of the Council to make sure that those impacts are mitigated and considered
when it takes the next subsequent steps. This document is of itself re,ally."
it's a reference document which is to be used by the Council as an aid in
arriving at future land use and zoning decisions.
Did that answer your question, Councilman Dring? What's our next step now?
The next step would be for the staff and the consultants to prepare the
final environmental impact report. Again, we would incorporate into that
final impact report the items I think I indicated in the cover letter to
the Council which is this draft, comments which we've received from the
various agencies and stuff that have received this EIR" persons who have
commented on the draft and our responses to significant environmental
points which may be raised by the public here tonight, the Council, the
Commission and any other agencies that have reviewed this. That final
environmental impact report would be brought back to the Council I would
hope at the next regular meeting. If not, then the following meeting and
at that time the Council could certify that the environmental impact report
has been prepared in accordance with the State Guidelines and then that
document will then be this, say somewhat official document that will be
used by the Council in again looking at future land use decisions in this
area.
So then, Mr. Mayor, there is no action to be taken by the Council at this
time other than to direct the staff?
I think just direct the staff to prepare the final environmental impact
report."
It was MOVED by Councilman Saelid, seconded by Councilman Gilb and carried
on the following roll call vote that the public hearing be CLOSED.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
It was then MOVED by Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Saelid that
staff be directed to prepare the final environmental impact report pur-
suant to State guidelines.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
Appeal of David W, and Janet V. Baker from the decision of the Planning
Commission in its denial of an application to allow an easterly side yard
of 9'6" and a westerly side yard of 5'0" in lieu of 10'0" required for
a proposed second-story addition at 229 E. Floral Avenue. The Commission
voted 4 to 1 with two members absent to deny the request. It was felt
that there were other alternatives for adding on; that the preservation of
the neighborhood's integrity was necessary and that privacy should be main-
tained between properties.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and Mr. Baker explained the
entire situation - that his family is increasing and the house just is not
large enough; he cannot afford to relocate and having lived in the City
for some 21 years he does not desire to move out of the City. He explained
in detail what is proposed - that they have been working on the design for
quite some time. He has discussed this with all of his neighbors and sub-
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TRACT NO.
, 40780
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mitted a petition signed by the following four neighbors stating that
they felt the addition would be an asset to the neighborhood.
Jeannette Gordon
Colleen A. McCrary
Jane Asenc io
Roberta J. Hunt
220 E. Laurel Avenue
224 E. Laurel Avenue
232 E. Laurel Avenue
230 E. Laurel Avenue
In response to questions Mr. Baker said in part that there is a large
oak tree in the front yard... and with the different roof design
the problem will actually be alleviated. Some discussion held on the
privacy aspect and Mr. Baker said it would not be a problem.
Michael Pilcher, 322 E. Newman Avenue, expressed concern that a family
such as the Bakers could be placed in a situation where they might have
to leave the City because they have outgrown their home. He spoke in
favor of the request.
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Dona~Shelnutt, 225 E. Floral Avenue, said he had seen the design and
that it was more appealing to him than others which have been approved.
He felt there should not be a problem with maintaining privacy.
Edward G. McLee, 233 E. Floral Avenue, spoke in favor of the request and
that his property will not suffer any damage by the 9-1/2' instead of
10' for the sideyard ... that the addition will not be offensive and would
be compatible with the neighborhood.
No one else desiring to be heard the hearing was CLOSED on MOTION by
Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Saelid and carried unanimously.
It was then MOVED by Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Haltom and
carried on roll call vote as follows that the appeal be granted; that this
particular modification application be approved; that it not be considered
by the property owners that similar modification requests will be approved;
that in this particular application Council has found several factors - the
narrow lot limits the design alternatives; that strict compliance with the
Code would probably result in a less attractive front building elevation;
that the addition has been designed in such a manner so as to be an inte-
gral part of the overall design of the dwelling which makes the applica-
tion unique and that approval of this application would prevent an un-
reasonable hardship.
Prior to the roll call vote Councilman Saelid commented that second story
additions are particularly troublesome to him " that he fully endorses
the concept of a greater setback for two story homes rather than just the
5' setback .. and that he thinks Council should review each and everyone
of this type of application rather than it becoming a policy of the City
that when there is a 50' lot there is automatic approval.
Roll call vote was then taken on the motion.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
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Tentative map of proposed Tract No. 40780 - for a 13 lot subdivision at
616-634 Camino Real and 623-633 W. Norman Avenues. The staff report in-
dicated that properties to the north, south, east and west are presently
developed with single family dwellings and zoned R-l and that with the
exception of one all lots meet requirements.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and Gordon Maddock, 909 S.
Santa Anita Avenue, said the developers are in agreement with the findings
and conditions of the Planning Commission/that it is hoped to start con-
struction as soon as possible -- within a 12 month period. Mr. Maddock
answered questions as propounded by the Council. The applicant, Chris
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'Bade, 2416 Florence Avenue, also said he understands and agrees to all
the conditions.
James Barrows, 611 W. Camino Real, said in part that ,the new development
will improve the neighborhood and spoke in favor:
Arthur Bucchieri, 1442 Melanie Lane, also spoke in favor.
Lorena Aunger, 646 W. Camino Real, west of the subject property, said in
part that when the development is completed herproperty will face four
backyards ... and that her fence has been damaged and in parts knocked
down by the work which has gone on thus far on the subject property. She
would like it repaired or replaced. Following consider~tion of this the
developer said he'would replace the wooden fence.
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No one else desiring to be heard the hearing was CLOSED on MOTION by
Councilman Gilb, seconded by Council~n Haltom and c~r~ied unanimous~y.
It was further MOVED by Councilman Gilb, seconded by Councilman Haltom
, ., .' .
and carried on roll call vote that the Negat'ive -Declarat-ion be approved
and filed; that Council finds the'project will not have a significant
effect on the environment; that the tract is consistent with the General
Plan and the waste discharge will not result in a violation of the exist-
ing requirements and that the Director of Public Works be authorized to
approve the subdivision agreement ... and that the tract be APPROVED.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
HEARING Tentative map of Tract No. 40892 propo~ing,a 6 unit residential condo-
TRACT NO. minium at 25-31 East Colorado Boulevard. The staff report indicated, the
40892 subject site is designated as Multiple Family (R-3) and i's surround~d
APPROVED by single-family dwellings, (R-l and R-3),'mixed residential us~s (R-3)
C, <i')!lJ and a duplex (R-3). Planning Commission conditions of approval were set
?:::D forth in the report. "
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and Bill Donahue"owner of,
the property east of the subject property, stated'in part that he is in
favor of the development and that it would be an' asset to the neighbor-
hood. No one else desiring to be heard the hearing was CLOSED on MOTION'
by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Saelid and carried unanimous"
ly. It was further MOVED by Councilman Dring, 'seconded by Councilman
Gilb and carried on roll call vote as follows that the project be APPROVED,
subject to conditions; that the Negative Declaration be approved and filed;
find that the project will not have a significant effect on the environ-
ment; that the tract is consistent with the General Plan and that the waste
discharge would not result in a violation of the existing requirements set
forth in the Water Code and that the Director of Public Works be AUTHORIZED
to approve the Subdivision agreement.
IHEARING
TRACT NO.
41006
APPROVED
AYES
NOES
ABSENT :
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
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Tentative map of Tract No. 41006 proposing a 12 unit commercial condomin-
ium at 805 W. Duarte Road. The staff report indicated it'is zoned C-2D and
is surrounded by R-3' development, parking lot and vacant property zoned
C-2, a retirement hotel and bank zoned C-2D. It has a General Plan desig-
nation of commercial. Conditions of approval by the Commission'were also,
set forth in the report.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and Tom Stewart of Lorne Phllips
& Associates, representing the applicant, said they are in accord with all'
the conditions and, that they expect to start construction in approximately
six months. No one else desiring to be heard the hearing was CLOSED on
.
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HEARING
Plumbing
Code
(Nov. 4)
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ROLL CALL
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VARIANCE
WORK
ACCEPTANCE
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on MOTION by Councilman Saelid, seconded by Councilman Dring and carried
unanimously. It was further MOVED by Councilman Sae1id, seconded by Coun-
cilman Gi1b and carried on roll call vote as follows that the tract be
approved subject to conditions; that the Negative Declaration be approved
and filed; and find that the project will not have a significant effect
on the environment; that the tract is consistent with the General Plan
and that the waste discharge would not result in a violation of the ex-
isting requirements set forth in the Water Code and that the Director of
Public Works be authorized to approve the subdivision agreement.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Sae1id, Pellegrino
None
None
The City Council scheduled this date for a public hearing for consideration I
of the Uniform Plumbing Code (1979 Edition). Staff advised that in addi-
tion to the requirements in the Uniform Plumbing Code certain local amend-
ments are proposed. These were explained and it was noted that a Negative
Declaration has been prepared.
Mayor Pellegrino declared the hearing open and no one desiring to be
heard the hearing was CLOSED on MOTION by Councilman Gi1b, seconded by
Councilman Dring and carried unanimously. It was then MOVED by Councilman
Dring, seconded by Councilman Haltom and carried on roll call vote as
follows that the Negative Declaration be approved and filed and find that
the project will not have a significant effect on the environment; and
that the City Attorney prepare Ordinance (No. 1711) for introduction at
the next regular meeting (November 4).
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Sae1id, Pellegrino
None
None
The City Council then recessed in order to act as the
ARCADIA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
PRESENT:
ABSENT
Members Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
Member Dring made reference to a request made some time ago concerning
the Mayor's participation in Agency matters and the General Counsel said
in part that historica11y,as far back as he could find, when an
opinion is written it is sent to the Council Member of the Agency Member
making the request... it is not disseminated to all members unless so
requested. Member Dring will be supplied with a copy. Mayor Pellegrino
said in part that he has checked with the General Counsel every time a
redevelopment matter has to be acted upon and follows his direction.
It was MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Haltom and
carried unanimously that the meeting adjourn to November 4. The Agency
reconvened as the City Council.
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CONSENT ITEMS
APPROVED Planning Commission Res. 1149 granting a zone variance to con-
struct a single family dwelling on a site with an existing single family
dwelling at 637 W. Lemon Avenue.
ACCEPTED work performed by Sully Miller Contracting Company in Phase III
of the Baldwin Avenue street improvement - Job No. 479 and AUTHORIZED
final payment pursuant to the terms of the contract.
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WORK
ACCEPTANCE
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DIAL-A-RIDE
AGREEMENT
MODIFICATION
(Nov. 4) ~
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ORDINANCE
NO. 1712
P DOl' ;'( Y
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RESOLUTION
NO. 4917
(November 4)
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ACCEPTED work performed by Sully Miller Contracting Company in the Annual
Street Maintenance project - Gutter Construction, Job No. 500 and AUTHOR-
IZED final payment pursuant to the terms of the contract.
ALL OF THE ABOVE CONSENT ITEMS WERE APPROVED ON MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GILB,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DRING AND CARRIED ON ROLL CALL VOTE AS FOLLGlS:
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
Staff advised that the agreement with the current Dial-A-Ride operator,
San Gabriel Valley Cab Company, will expire on November 1, 1980 and a
modification extending the agreement was recommended which would allow
sufficient time for the implementation of service by the new operator,
It is expected to present the new agreement with Community Transit Sys-
tem to the City Council on November 4.
It was MOVED by Councilman Saelid, seconded by Councilman Haltom and
carried on roll call vote as follows that the modification be APPROVED
and that the City Manager be AUTHORIZED to execute same in form approved
by the City Attorney.
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
Councilman Dring commented that he had occasion to use the current ser-
vice recently and that it was excellent and Councilman Gilb also commented
that the way the current operator is continuing with the knowledge that
someone else has received the contract is commendable.
The City Attorney presented for the second time, explained the content
and read the title of Ordinance No. 1712 entitled: "AN ORDINANCE OF THE
CITY OF ARCADIA AMENDING ARTICLE IV, CHAPTER 2, PART 3 OF THE ARCADIA
MUNICIPAL CODE BY ADDING THERETO DIVISION 4 DECLARING THE COMMERCIAL EX-
PLOITATION OF LEWD MOTION PICTURE FILMS AND LEWD PUBLICATIONS TO BE CON-
TRARY TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND A PUBLIC NUISANCE
PER SE: MAKING ALL LEWD MATTER AND PUBLICATIONS POSSESSED IN SUCH PLACES
A PUBLIC NUISANCE PER SE: PROVIDING FOR NOTICE AND LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TO
ABATE THE SAME: AND PROVIDING A PROCEDURE FOR ASSESSMENT AND COLLECTION
OF COSTS OF ABATEMENT."
It was MOVED by Councilman Dring, seconded by Councilman Saelid and carried
on roll call vote as follows that the further reading of the full text of
Ordinance No. 1712 be waived and ADOPTED,
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Councilmen Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
On recommendation and explanation by the City Attorney this resolution
will be on the agenda for the next regular meeting. (This relates to
the protest of Yellow Cab Company re the selection of a Dial-A-Ride op-
era tor) .
Council then adjourned and reconvened as the Arcadia Redevelopment Agency.
The General Counsel submitted and summarized the content of a proposed
agreement between the Agency and Goldrich & Kest Associates concerning
selection of sites for no more than 175 dwelling units for senior citizens
and handicapped persons.
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I~O( It was MOVED by Member Dring, seconded by Member Gilb and carried on roll
call vote as follows that the Chairman and the Executive Director be
AUTHORIZED to execute the agreement,
AGREEMENT
Goldrich &
Kest Associ-
ates)
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AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Members Dring, Gilb, Haltom, Saelid, Pellegrino
None
None
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The Agency then adjourned and reconvened as the City Council.
Was advised on the status of the signalization at Santa Anita and Foothill.
Report to be submitted. He also asked for an executive session with the
City Manager, Assistant City Manager and the Finance Director.
Asked for an executive session with the Council Members.
The City Council reconvened at 11:15 p.m. and adjourned immediately there-
after to 7 p.m. November 4.
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Mayor
ATTEST:
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City Clerk
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