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ROLL CALL
CITY COUNCIL
ROLL CALL
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CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ARCADIA
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ARCADIA BOARD OF EDUCATION
STUDY SESSION
Hay 5, 1992
The Arcadia City Council and the Board of Education of the
Arcadia Unified School District, met at 6:00 p.m., Tuesday,
Hay 5, 1992, in the Conference Room of the City Hall Council
Chambers.
PRESENT:
Councilmen Ciraulo, Harbicht, Loj eski, Hargett and
Fasching
None
ABSENT:
PRESENT:
Members Bryant, Gibson, Lamb, _Dougherty and
Steinmeier
None
ABSENT:
Others in attendance: Dr. Terrence Towner, Superintendent of
Schools
George Watts, City Manager
Michael Miller, City Attorney
This j oint meeting was scheduled primarily to discuss the
possible construction of an auditorium within the City, and
in particular at the site of the Arcadia High School,
primarily for the benefit of the Arcadia Unified School
District. The cost of construction would be borne by the City
of Arcadia and the auditorium then turned over to the School
District. Recently the City Council visited an auditorium
built in the City of Duarte with redevelopment funds, at a
cost of $2.3 to $2.6 million dollars, on redevelopment
property with trade-offs of other parcels. The Duarte
auditorium is adjacent to Northrup School. Councilman
Harbicht's original visit to the Duarte Performing Arts Center
provided the impetus for the City Council to explore the
possibility of a similar structure in the City of Arcadia on
school district property.
As background information, Councilman Harbicht stated, in
part, that in 1985 the City contracted with Wendell Mounce and
Associates for a Civic Center Project Study. An auditorium
was a part of that study with seating for 1,000 to 1,200
people at a cost of $12-$15 million, depending on the
accoutrements. Based upon these figures, the auditorium was
not a feasible project. There is still talk in the community
of an auditorium which, when the above costs are adjusted for
inflation, increases the cost considerably. Not too long ago,
Councilman Harbicht attended a performance at the new
Performing Arts Center in the City of Duarte. This auditorium
is a very nice building, well done, not lavish, but certainly
functional and attractive. Upon inquiry, the City Manager of
Duarte informed Councilman Harbicht that the building cost
somewhere around $2.5 million to construct, which does not
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include land cost. Councilman Harbicht believes this type of
building at that cost could be a possibility for Arcadia in
the near future. The Duarte auditorium has seating for
approximately 500. The orchestra pi t area can accommodate 200
additional temporary seats, if needed. Councilman Harbicht
commented that he would like to see the City build an
auditorium such as this, at City cost; on or adjacent to a
school campus, preferably Arcadia High School, then turn it
over to the School District to manage and maintain, allowing
the City a certain number of dates per year when the
auditorium would be available to the City. This joint meeting
was initiated to communicate this idea to the School Board,
receive the Board's reaction and suggestions, and then decide
whether or not to move forward with a project.
The President of the School Board, Mrs. Steinmeier, expressed I
the Board's appreciation for the opportunity to meet with
Council and discuss the possibility of an auditorium. The
School Board, she noted, is certainly interested in an
auditorium for the huge performing arts programs in the
District. Several members of the School Board have visited
Duarte's auditorium since it has been open, therefore, they
are familiar with the site and the building.
Councilman Harbicht commented that before the City would
consider building an auditorium for the School District, it
would first have to be established that there is a need for
an auditorium. Also, the City would need some sort of an
estimate from the District as to the frequency of use the
District would anticipate and the potential functions.
Further, the size that would accommodate 85% of the events
that the District would hold. If one event a year required
a 2,000 seat auditorium, the City would not build a 2,000 seat
auditorium just to accommodate all events up to that size.
The disadvantage of an auditorium which is too large is, if
most of the District's events are in the 400-500 attendance
range, then a large auditorium dwarfs the audience and causes
a poor showing. Therefore, he would like the School District
staff to provide the City with an estimate of frequency of
use.
Dr. Towner noted that because of the lack of a facility, there
are many programs that the School District does not attempt.
Referring to frequency of use, if the School District had a
facility there would be a lot more programming in drama, music
and assemblies. At this time, the transportation factor is
prohibitive for those functions that might be held elsewhere.
Some of the concerts have 1,000 persons in the seating area
as well as 400 to 500 playing musicians.
Board Member Bryant related the history of the previous
Auditorium Foundation which raised funds in support of the
construction of an auditorium. This Foundation still I
maintains $100,000 in,a bank trust account, the interest from
which is given to the School District each year to pay for the
rental of facilities and other items for the District. This
Auditorium Foundation was trying to raise funds to construct
a 1,200 seat auditorium. Member Bryant noted that the student
population in Duarte is somewhere between 60% to 70% of the
Arcadia School population. One of the issues raised by the
Auditorium Foundation was, should the building be placed on
school property and rented to others, in which case, they
could not sell liquor. Liquor cannot be sold because that is
the State law, and he believes this is a good law and does
not challenge it. Mayor Fasching and others stated that this
would not be an issue.
SIZE OR
SEATING
CAPACITY
Board Member Dougherty stated, in part, that she is very
interested in an auditorium. Her first priority, of course,
is rehabilitating the School District f~cilities. The
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District now rents the San Gabriel Civic Auditorium for larger
school functions such as the three vertical concerts which are
held each year. A vertical concert, she explained, features
elementary school children, junior high and high school music
performers. This enables the students to see the progression
0:: their musical potential. The San Gabriel Civic seats
approximately 1,400. If an auditorium were to be constructed
for the School District it would need to accommodate
approximately 1,200 to 1,300 students which would amount to
1/2 of the high school student body. Member Dougherty
mentioned the Rosemead High School auditorium which contains
movable walls to divide up into smaller rooms and a
mezzaninejbalcony type of arrangement. In reference to the
high school graduations, 2,500 students are involved plus
family and friends ... this event would still have to be held
on the athletic field. The Council and School Board
considered three assembly periods instead of one large
assembly for the high school assemblies. Seating would still
be needed for 800 to 900 students at each assembly period.
Councilman Ciraulo noted that it sounds as if the Board is
saying that to be practical, a school auditorium should seat
around 1,000 rather than 500 which is the seating capacity of
the Duarte Center if the temporary seating is not added.
Further, the District has to plan for future growth also.
While touring the Duarte auditorium, the Council had discussed
the foyer area which could be enclosed to seat an additional
200 persons and would still stay within the framework of the
building. Council had been told by Duarte school personnel
that if the size of that building were increased to contain
1,000, 1,200 or 1,500 seats, the cost doesn't increase by just
20% or 30%, it could double or triple. However, in looking
at that building, it appeared that with perhaps a little
modification, it could comfortably accommodate 800 to 900
seats. The project, Mayor Fasching stated, would not be a
performing arts center for the City on redevelopment property.
The project would be for the schools and the City... and the
children of the City first of all.
The question arose of the size of the stage area at the Duarte
building ... how many playing musicians could it accommodate?
Arcadia has a, band of 160 performers. Mayor Fasching
mentioned that the large area at the back of the stage could
possibly be used also ...
In the discussion of possible locations where an auditorium
might be situated, it was generally agreed that Arcadia High
School would be a very desirable location. The possible
closure of El Monte Avenue was considered. Also, covering
over the wash for parking. The idea of acquiring the property
at the east end of the high school athletic field was'
mentioned; is there no room at any of the other school sites?
Could an auditorium be situated adjacent to the Library? Dr.
Towner responded that the Library site would be too far away
and would preclude use by most of the schools. ... if students
leave campus to go to that site, the District would have real
concerns about the District's ability to maintain control of
the students plus the liability factor. He would rather have
an auditorium on the high school campus. Further, an
auditorium would be used by all the schools in the District
. .. it would be a real centerpiece and a real asset to the
whole performing arts program. Dr. Towner noted that other
functions such as the tennis courts could be relocated ... the
campus could be rearranged. Councilman Lojeski suggested that
the Little Theatre at Arcadia High School could be replaced
with a larger auditorium. The Duarte Center, it was noted,
is 50,000 square feet, which Dr. Towner commented would take
up quite a lot of real estate on the high school campus and
would not fit on the same site as the Little Theatre. The
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size of an auditorium ,ould determine the location on that
campus.
Board Member Dougherty stated, in part, that she is a strong
advocate of closing Campus Drive and studying the possibility
of locating an auditorium in that area. The primary reasoning
for the closure is the high speed traffic on Campus when the
Police Department is not present and the curb-to-curb U-turns
by inexperienced drivers. If an auditorium were placed on
that site, the parking could be located on both sides of the
facility. This would keep the school population contained and
would not provide access to the race track for the safety of
the children. Board Member Bryant opposed the closing of
Campus Drive. Councilman Ciraulo commented that El Monte
Avenue at the west side of the high school campus could then
be kept open for access from the race track to Santa Anita. I
Mayor Fasching noted that this would transfer all the traffic
from the track onto Duarte Road and eliminate student parking
on Campus Drive; also the drop-off area on Campus would have
to be redesigned and access to the high school would then be
on Duarte Road and El Monte Avenue ... however, these are some
things that could be considered. Board Member Bryant
coounented that his concerns regarding the elimination of
Campus Drive were mostly based on overall traffic flow through
the City by the elimination of this east/west thoroughfare.
The safety requirements were also a concern ... the access of
fire and police to the rest of the City from Santa Anita
Avenue, for example. President Steinmeier commented that
traffic flow around the high school is already a major problem
and should be addressed.
COSTS
Board Member Gibson commented that Duarte built its facility
for approximately $2.5 million and the 1985 City plans for an
auditorium were at a cost of $12 million ... what is the
difference? Were the City's original plans for a Dorothy
Chandler type of a facility, or is the difference in costs
just in the size? Councilman Lojeski responded that the
City's plans were more on the scale of the Dorothy Chandler
facility the accoutrements in particular. The Duarte
building has track lighting at the stage, for example, they
do not have footlights, however things can be added later on.
Mrs. Gibson asked if a realistic estimate could be obtained
of the cost of a building to seat 500, 800 or 1,200.
Councilman Harbicht commented that according to City of Duarte
personnel there is "kind of a geometric progression as you
expand the size ... part of it is because you need more and
more land for additional parking, but also ... you just get
into logistical things. The cost does tend to go up faster
than just the seating". This is why the Council is just
talking of building this same building with maybe a few
changes, for much the same cost. It would be really radical
to redesign it and the cost could be substantially more.
Council also noted that the building is constructed of
concrete block built to comply with school code requirements
rather than City building codes. The building is an early
California Mission design and very tastefully done, according
to Councilman Margett Mayor Fasching reiterated that
Arcadia High could accommodate the entire high school
population by having three assemblies with 800 plus at each
assembly.
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The discussion turned to the general music program at the
Arcadia schools, in particular, the elementary music program.
Dr. Towner stated, in part, that the District is going to
reduce the cost in the general fund for the elementary music
program, however, the elementary program they think will still
be exceptionally good ... but, a little different. This to
questions from the Council in regard to rumors that the music
program was to be eliminated.
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Councilman Harbicht suggested that the Arcadia School District
contact the Duarte School District for information as to how
their rental program is progressing; also their projection for
the next year since they have only been in operation for one
year. Also, that the Arcadia School district consider the
anticipated use they might have for an auditorium; that they
arrive at some estimate of the size of the facility which
would be needed to support their programs within the two
standard deviations. Then bring the information and their
thinking back to the City Council. Mayor Fasching agreed.
In reference to the closure of Campus Drive, Councilman
Harbicht said that he would be willing to study the
possibility of utilizing that land for the auditorium and the
parking. He sees this concept as a possible alternative.
Further, the discussions about an auditorium in the past, 15
years ago, started with modest plans and then grew like
"Topsy", and then died. Councilman Harbicht suggested that
the School District not make up a "wish list", but a "doable"
wish list. If it happens that a 500 or 800 seat auditorium
just will not meet the District's need, then the School
District should so inform Council. He will not support a
1,200 seat request. The City cannot afford it. A facility
such as the auditorium in Duarte with an expansion into the
foyer, and perhaps some sort of a roofed patio in front and
temporary seating to accommodate a total of 800 to 900 seats
is probably the limit. Anything beyond that would possibly
cross over the threshold into something costing in the range
of $6-12 million, This would then become, a much lower
priority on his list of needs within the City.
Dr. Towner stated, in part, that the School District would
take a look at this offer in the context of a number of
things, such as: the high school is approaching an enrollment
of 3,000 students and the District must assess this fact
against the impact of the need for additional classrooms; also
what the increase of students might have on the parking
situation and the current land use. Many things will have to
be considered to determine where a theater can fit in.
Council's suggestion of closing El Monte Avenue, also covering
over the wash for parking is very attractive ... this could
be the answer or at least a trade-off in moving the parking
over to that area and placing an auditorium in closer although
17 additional classrooms must be placed first. The School
District needs to review the concept of an auditorium in line
with the whole concept of the building project that they soon
hope to begin, which must be accomplished, and then
architecturally, where the whole thing fits in.
Dr. Towner further expressed his appreciation and that of the
Board for the City Council's offer. The School District will
follow-up on this aggressively. An 800-900 seat auditorium
is a very good size for a whole lot of other uses other than
high school assemblies, and as he stated earlier, sometimes
the facility generates the use. They will certainly go back
and study the matter and try to see where it fits. Other
board members expressed their appreciation to Council for this
exciting offer and the challenge for them to look at ways to
arrive at an anticipated use facility that is cost effective.
Mayor Fasching commented that Council would then wait to hear
from the District and then schedule another meeting for
discussion.
ADJOURNMENT
At 6:52 p. m. the Joint Meeting of the Arcadia City Council
and the Arcadia Board of Education ADJO D sine d
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