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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSEPTEMBER 27, 1988 , . .. \' Planning Commission proceedings are taped recorded and on file in the office of the Planning Department. MINUTES ARCADIA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING Tuesday, Seplember 27, 1988 The Planning Commission of the City of Arcadia met in regular session on Tuesday, September 27, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Arcadia City Hall, 240 West Huntington Drive, with Chairman Larry Papay presiding. PLEDGEOFAllEGIANCE ROLL CAll.: PRESENT: ABSENT: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Hedlund, Szany, Papay None MINUTES M0110N It was moved by Commissioner Clark, seconded by Commissioner Amalo to approve the Minules of September 13, 1988 as published. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting. MOTION It was moved by Commissioner Szany, seconded by CommissiQner Clark to read all resolutions by title only and waive reading the full body of the resolulions. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting. OTHERS ATIENDING: Councilwoman Mary Young Director of Planning William Woolard City Attorney Michael Milier $enior Planner Donna Butler Associate Planner Wilfred Wong Assistant Planner James Kasama Secretary Silva Vergel .. . . '. PUBLIC HEARING T.M. 46800 2309-2323 S. ,Baldwtn Ave. Chow KtlO Chou Consideration of a tentative map for a 6-lot single-family subdlvtslon. The staff report was presented. Slaff commented that there are no special setbacks off of Baldwin. The selback for the existing dwelling is 20' and the setbacks range from 20'-25' in Ihe immediate area. The public hearing was opened. Engles Shen, 600 W. Main, #205, Alhambra, the engineer of the project, said thatlhey are in agreement with all of the conditions in the staff report. He noted Ihatthere are 5 existing dwellings on the lols and they will be adding one additional dwelling. The new homes will be approximately 3800-4000 sq. ft., excluding the garage, and will probably be 2-story homes. He commenled that they will meet the required setback off of Baldwin. Jim Divon, 1129 Columbia asked if the homes would be single-slory. Chairman Papay explained that the tentative map procedure does not require the applicant to submit plans o/what will be built on Ihe lot. This procedure only allows the appllcanlto subdivide Ihe property. Bruce Ruminski, 2218 S. Baldwin, was concerned about the parking problem that this development would create. He staled thaI Baldwin is a main thoroughfare and it Is already congested and the additional cars from these homes wili just compound the problem. Gratia Thorarinsori, 2330 S. Baldwin, agreed with her neighbor and fell Ihat Ihe development would increase traffic and parking. In rebuttal, Mr. Shen said Ihatlhe new homes are very attractive and have been designed In such a way as 10 not increase traffic on Baldwin. He explained that the garages face the cul-de-sac and only right turns can be made onto the cul-de-sac and since there is a median on Baldwin and only right hand turns can be. made to Baldwin off of the new cul.de-sac. He said that the new homes will actually offer more parking. MOlION It was moved by Commissioner Szany. seconded by Commissioner Clark to close Ihe public hearing. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting. Commissioner Szany felt that it is a very nice design and he liked the idea that the cars will not be backing onto Baldwin and will use the cul-de-sac instead. He was pleased to see that all the homes will have 3-car garages and felt that that would take the cars off the street. He wondered If Ihe oak tree would be saved on leI 3. Staff said that a Iree preservalion plan is required. Chairman Papay commented that only right turns could be made onto the cul-de-sac and back onto Baldwin. He thought that the increase in parking and the traffic will be minimal. Arcadia City Planning Commissio~ September 27. 1988 Page 2 . . Commissioner Hedlund was nol in favor of the setbacks off of Baldwin and the width of Lot 5 and fell that it is too small. Commissioner Clark agreed with Commissioner.Szany and indicated that this would be a very big improvemenl over the existing situation. Although he was concerned about the selbacks, he fell that it isa good development. Commissioner Amato agreed and reminded the Commission thaI they should only be considering the subdivision and not what might be ultimately built. MOlION It was moved by Commissioner Szany, seconded by Commissioner Clark to approve T.M. 46800 subject to the conditions in the slaff report. ROll CAll.: AYES: I>()ES: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Szar]y, Papay Commissior]er Hedlund There is a ten day appeal period. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - . - - .0. _ _ _ _ _ ~ _ PUBLIC HEARING T.M. 46814 404 S. Santa Anita Ave. WLAArcon, Inc. Consideration of a tentative map for a 16-unit residenlial condominium project. The staff report was presented. In answer to questions from the Commission, staff said that-there are no special setbacks off of Santa Anita. The buildings should be setback 25' and noted thatlhe new development to lhe.south of this project also has a 25' setback~ The public hearing was opened. Warren Lortie. WLA Arcon. 18811 Huntington Beach, Huntington Beach, said that they are in agreement wilh all of the conditions in .the staff report. He remarked that they did an extensive study and the proposed plan will fit the property best. MOlION /I was moved by Commissioner Clark, seconded by Commissioner Amato to close the public hearing. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting. The consensus of the Commission was favorable. MOlION /I was moved by Commissioner Clark. seconded by Commissioner Szany to approveTJ.1. 46814 subject to Ihe conditions in Ihe staff report. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 3 . . ROLL CAlL: AYF:S: NCES: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Hedlund, Szany, Papay None There Isa ten day appeal period. ~ - . - -w _ _ _- _ . .. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ~ _ _. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ PUBLIC HEARING MP 88-025 37 Alice SI. Aday Chan Assoc. for Nick Eftekhari Consideration of modifications for a proposed 2-unit residential project. Staff commented -that due 10 confusion in regard to the actual property line, the public hearing should be. continued to the Commission's next meeting, 10 ailow staff sufficient time to review the case. MOllON It was moved by Commissioner Szany, seC9ndedby Commissioner Amato 10 continue the public hearing 10 the October 11, 1988 meeting; The motion passed by voice vote wfth none dissenting. PUBLIC HEARING HOME OCCUPATION PERMiT 2 Golden West Harold Salisian dba: H.S. landscaping The staff report was presented and Ihe public hearing was opened. ConsideraJion of. an appeal of the Home Occupation Commillee's conditional approval for landscaping and maintenance. Business to be operated in the home. Harold Salisian, 2 S. Golden West, stated thaI he thought that this was an unfair situation. He commented that both the trailer and trucks are under 2 tons. The tractor is parked to the rear of the lot behind the garage and is not visible from the street. The trucks are utilized both for business and for personal use. Mosl of his.customers are in the Arcadia/Pasadena area and he noted thaI his lnimediate neighbors are his clients. He felt Ihat it is unfair lobe asked to park his vehicles elsewhere where he will have to pay alleast $1500 a month to store them and he remarked Ihat he calinot afford that monthly payment. He thought that his neighbors should have come 10 him and expressed their dissatisfaction to him instead of complaining and involving the City. In answer to aquel1tion from the Commission, he indicated that his employees come to his house between 7:00-8:00 a.m. Mike Miller, noted that the conditions exlend to the Municipal Code Section and they are non- appealable and the Commission cannot waive the code requirements and he caulioned the Commission and noled that the conditions relate to specific mandatorY sections of the code and it cannot be reversed on appeal or waived. The purpose is to mainlaln the primacy of residential use in the Ciiy and that is the reason Ihere are substantial limitations in having a HOP. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 4 ,. . . , Steven Tessler, 10 S. Golden West, spoke In favor of Mr. Salisian's appeal. He noted that there has never been any problems wllh the employees who come to his home and he didn't find them offensive. He thought thaI their vehicles were compatible with the neighborhood and noted that some of his neighbors have campers, boats and other similar type vehicles. He said Ihat Mr. Salisian's business is his livelihood and he felt that it is conducted in a very professional manner. Courtney Tessler, 10 S. Golden West, commented that they are one otMr. Salis ian's clients and made'the observation that they've never noticed the business interfering with the neighborhood. She noted Ihat no extra traffic is created by him or his employees and said that they go to work very early morning and don't cause any problems. She commented that his tractqr is parked in the back of the garage and Is not visible from the street. She remarked thaI after the HOP meeting, several other neighors approached her and based on their comments she deduced that their dissatisfaction is based on prejudice. William Rodebaugh, 900 Encanto, spoke against Ihe appeal and said thallhe rules-and regulations should be observed. He didn't think that a business of this sort should run from a residential neighborhood. He fell that Mr. Salisian can rent a facility to store his venicles to resolve the problem. Jim Divon, 1129 Columbia, was pleased that the Commission will try and uphold the AMC and Ihat it cannot be waived and that it will be enforced. In rebuttal, Mr.. Salisian stressed the fact that he conducls the business in a way as to not distrub his neighbors. He said that maybe the laws should change to allow more flexibility. He fell that his neigl1bors were discriminating against him. MOTION II was moved by Commissioner Szany, seconded by Commissioner Amato to close the public hearing. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting. Chairman Papay fell that maybe a specific time period should be given 10 Mr. Salisian 10 allow him to comply. He thought that he should comply with Ihe HOP requirements. Commissioner Hedlund commented that he is violating the code by having employees come t6 the house. Commissioner Clark remarked that .the requirementsJor the, HOP ~re applicable to everyone and cannot be waived and they should comply. . . Commissioner'Szanythought thaI the HOP Cori1mille'was very lenient. He commenled thatlhere is an intent for Ihe HOP and the subject business doesn't meet the intent. Commissioner Amato agreed and fell that he should comply and thaI no employees should come to Ihe house. He thought that ample time should be given to allow him to comply and suggested 60 days. Mike Miller suggested giving the applicant time to comply before initiating enforcement. He explained Ihal usually the procedure takes between 14-30 days. He commented that If the Commission sels a time limit, his office will begin immediate court action after the time has elapsed. Arcadia City Planning CommissiOn September 27, 1988 Page 5 ~- . . MOTION It was moved by Commissioner Szany"seconded byCommissioner Clark to deny the appeal and give the applicant 60 days to comply with the conditions set by the HOP Committee or discontinue the business from the home. ROLL CALl; Aves: NOES: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Hedlund, Szany, Papay None - ... - - - - - - - - - - - ~ - - - .'. - - - - . - - - - - - - - - - - PUBLIC HEARING T.A. 88-003 Consideration of a text amendment to amend "Exception 3" of Sections 9252;2.4, 9252.2.5, 9252.2. t 1.1 and 9252.2.11.2 of the R-1 zone relating to encroachment of fireplaces in the side yard setback and adding Sections 9250.3.13, 9251.2.11 and 9252.2.14 to the R-M, R-O and R-1 zones limiting the total building floor area of all structures to a maximum of 50% of the 101 area. The staff report was presented and the public hearing was opened. Gary Kovacic, 947 Coronado, Chairman of Ihe ARB for the Village Assoc., was pleased to see that a text amendment has been initialed and said Ihat he was also speaking on behalf of the HOA. He said that the HOA felt Ihat it. might be a good idea to reduce the 50% maximum lot coverage and referred to the house at 900 Balboa which is approxiniately 9100 sq. ft. and the new house is approximately 4000 sq. ft. and he thought that the subject house is too massive and if the new regulations allowed 50% maximum lot coverage they would still be able to add an additional 500 sq. ft. and still comply. He thought thaI the requirements should be more reslrictive and suggesled Increasing the minimum lot size in the City which at the presenl time is 7500 sq. ft. He suggested 40% max.lot coverage in lieu of the 50% suggested by slaff. Jim Divon, 1129 Columbia, agreed with Mr. Kovacic and further stated they should not allow fire place encroachment in the side yard. Wallace Qua, 1605 Hyland, was pleased to see the proposed change and remarked Ihallhere is a large house being proposed by a developer in their neighborhood which is very large and doesn't fit the 101 and if this lext amendmenl goes in affect it would protect the neighbors. He said that the proposed house would be out of character in their neighborhood and would not be in harmony with their neighborhood. Bruce Wallace, Hyland, remarked that he attended the Modification Conimittee meeting which considered the home that Mr. Qua was speaking about. He said that they are in support of any reduction and agreed to the 40% suggested. Staff said thaI existing code allows fire places to encroach 2' into the 5' selback and staff has suggested reducing it to l' encroachment. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 6 . . Dorothy Qua, 1605 Hyland thanked the Commission for its efforts to stop the development of large homes on small lots and fell thalihe 40%.suggesledis reasonable. Jack Elder, 1526 Hyland, Ihought Ihai the 40% should be reduced to 30% and felt that Ihe Code should be more restrictive. MOT1ON It was moved by Commissioner Szany, seconded by Commissioner Clark to close the public hearing. The molionpassed by voice vote with none dissenting. Chairman Papay thought that thenumber should be set at the lower end and through modifications the percentage could be increased. He Ihoughl the large homes on a cul;de-sac with wedge shaped lots;seem to have a greater impact. He was in favor of the l' encroachment of fireplaces in the side setback. Commissioner Clark felt that the suggested 40% is reasonable. Staff summarized Ihe different square foolages allowed on a 7500 square foot lot based on the different percentages ranging from 30-50 percent. It was noted that the greatest impact would be on smaller lots. Commissioner Hedlund felt that 33% would be ideal excluding the garage. He was concerned about having enough open space. He didn't think that the front setback should be included in the lot coverage. Commissioner Szany commented that he likes the idea of homes having 3-car garages which take away the cars from the.street and was in favor of the 40% with the,option to apply for a modification if a greater lot coverage is desired. He noted Ihat fireplaces are a good architeclural way of breaking up the side of the wall and fell that the l'encroachment is acceptable. Commissioner Amato thought that there should be 5' setback on the side property lines. MOTION 11 was moved by Commissioner Clark, seconded by Commissioner Amato to recommend approval of T.A. 88-003 with the following change ....zones establishing a maximum floor area of 40% for ali buildings and slruclures on a 101". - - ROLL CAll: AYES: 1'0:8: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Hedlund, Szany, Papay None .. ... .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ... .. .. .. .. .. :'" .. .. .. .. .;. .. .. .. '... .. .. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION None Since there were several persons in the audience, who were interested in the resolutions, the Commission suggested adopting the resolutions before .reviewing the Draft EIR. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 7 . . -. RESOLUTION 1390 A resolution approving a two-story dwelling with attached garage. at 1035 Hampton Rd. (MP 88-023) and overruling the Rancho Santa Anita Property Owner's Association's appeal. A resolution granting V-88-001 for a variance to construct a detached, two-story, single-family dwelling wilh an attached two car garage at 217 S. Third Avenue. RESOLUTION 1391 Mr. Woolard read the tilles of Ihe resolutions. MOTION It was moved by Commissioner Clark, seconded by Commissioner Amato to adopt Resolutions 1390 and 1391 and to formally affirm the decision of September 13, 1988, reflecling the findings of the Commission and the votes thereon. ROu:.CALL: AYES: NJES: Commissioners Amato, Clark, Hedlund, Szany, Papay None There is a five working day appeal period. - .. - .. .. '. -,- .. .. - - .. .. .. .. .. - .. .. .. - .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. - - - .. .. .. PlANNING COMMISSION Review and comment of the proposed Draft EIR for an inert landfill, a parcel map crealing Ihree lots from one lot and a publiC storage facility in Ihe City of Arcadia. ~NOT A PUBLIC HEARING)~ The Commission determined t~at they would review the Draft EIR on a Section by Section basis. It.was noted that the EIRaddressesthe subdivision of Ihe three parcels on the soulh side of Lower Azusa Road and the development of one parcel with the public storage facility as well as the proposed inert landfill on the north side of Lower Azusa Road and the ultimate development of this site. It was mentioned that future development of the quarry site (inert landfill site) would require a conditional use permit and be subjecl to further environmenlal review. Commissioner Szany asked If when you have a quarry operation is it required.by Slate to fill that back up when it's all done or when it is exhausted? Mr. Woolard answered thaI it didn't use .to be but il pretty much is now. In the 70's the State promulgated regulations requiring a reclamation pian for all new quarry type operations. They were not retroactive to a lot of the older ones. However, Ihal has made retroaclive to some of these older pits, such as the one we have in Arcadia. So. .the bottom line is, yes, the State does want to see these lands reclaimed and put to some useful purpose. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 8 ~- . . . Commissioner Szany asked who is responsible for doing Ihal? Mr. Woolard noted thaI it would be the owner of the property. They are the ones required'to have Ihe reclamation. plan prepared in accordance with City and State guidelines and il has to be submitted 10 the City and .to the State. Commissioner Szany asked .if Ihe pit would have to be filled up sooner or laler? Mr. Woolard said nOl.necessarily, there may be other ways in reclaiming some of the mined lands. Commissioner Szany asked like filling it as a lake or something like that? Mr. Woolard noted that that is a possibility in some instances. It depends on the type of mining it was, how deep it is, etc., a lot of factors come into play. Commissioner Szany commented that without filling the quarry it would be very difficult 10 utilize the site for manufacturing? Mr. Woolardrema(ked that in some cases you might find uses Ihat would want to go down in the ground. He thoughl Monrovia was considering an EIR for an asphalt plant that,was going to be located in one of the pits. It gets the use out of sight and, it may buffer the noise a bit but it has some olher problems such as if you have an accident, you could possibly pollule the water table. - -' Chairman Papay said that not only that, but air emissions could also present a problem. Commissioner Amalo asked how many existing landfills are. there in the area? Mr. Woolard said that there are a lot, of quarries. Just north of the site off of Live Oak; there is the NuWay Landfill. Chairman Papay. thought that II was not an inert landfill. He commented that he had seen Irucks going in tl1ere with cullings. Mr. Woolard commenled that he didn'rknow of any others in the area that are strictly unclassified landfill such as this project. Commissioner Amato indicated he thought that -NuWay had a landfill in Irwindale that they're discussing about making a solid landfill, also. II was his underslanding that Ihey're back filling with Ihe natural soils around Ihe surrounding areas and they're filling it with silt below the water table. The Commission began review of the EIR: Commissioner Hedlund under projecl descriplion, asked when Ihey are describing the project it mentions operating 6 days a week, 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.. He thought the EIR should address the issue of operatiing only five days a week and prohibiting operation on Saturdays. Chairman Papay noled that II was indicated that the facility would be open from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p;m. He asked if-this was restricting Irucks coming into the dump after 5:00 p.m. or if the operation of all the machinery and equipment was limited 10 5:00 which seems to me more reasonable since you're abutting a residenlial area. Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 9 ~~ . . Mr. Woolard Indicated that the EIR is the worst case scenario. He noled that operating five days a week excluding Salurdays and Sundays is an alternalive that would be addressed as part of the final EIR. Operating five days a week could be a necessary mitigation measure, it may be adopted to mitigate impacts of the project bul at this poinl, like I said. the EIR is basically using a worst case scenario. Obviously during the subsequent hearings on the specific application, the hours could be reduced. Chairman Papay felt that Ihe two most important impacts are the noise and the traffic. Traffic would be less on a .Saturday but the noise would be probably more offensive to the residenlial uses. on a Saturday Ihan on any other day. He commented Ihat one way to minimize the impact along Lower Azusa Road and the streets west of the site would be 10 require all the trucks to come in from the east. from the freeway side and not through the residential area. This would mean a lellturn exit only from Ihe dump to go thaI way. That may be a little severe but it's. something that needs to be considered under mitigalion measures. Commissioner Hedlund. asked if the Director of Public Works would do a periodic inspection on the landfill? Mr. Woolard replied that it is a possible miligatioh measure not cast in concrete. It may be that somebody else who has specific knowledge of this type 01 a operation would be present on the property as opposed to our Director of Public Works. ChairmilnPapay noted the EIR did not address the Issue that the pittlself is a hazard because it Is deep and somewhat adjacent 10 a residential development. II is also conceivable Ihat people could start using it as a dumping ground and who knows what could get dumped in there without some sort of lormal program if it just sat there. which I think is a likely alternative. He questioned the last, paragraph on page 33. where it says "the design value for the structural bearing capacity of the completed,liII may be 600-700 Ibs. per square foot as opposed to Ihe 2000 Ibs. per sq. ft. or better". He noted this seemed to be inconsistent with a statement earlier in the report where Ihey were discussing 2000 Ibs required for industriai struclures. Chairman Papay commented that it mentions in the Surface and Ground Waler Impacts Ihal it is not economical for the public storage facility and any other developmenl on the.soulh side of Lower Azusa Road 10 hook up to the Arcadia sewer system because it is too . far: Also the City of EI Monte is opposed to allowing any development to hook up to theirsyslem. It was his opinion that if he was in the City of EI Monte. he thought the City would wanl to offer the service to lie in on an interim basis and then when Arcadia brings a line down for the landfill site, then hook up to the Arcadia system. He thoughl It would be better 10 be lied into a sewer system Ihan have them put In a septic tank. He thought that'lhe City of EI. Monte should be willing to work out something for al least 10-15-20 year basis. until Arcadia runs the sewer down there for the rest of the project. He noted that EI Monte has expressed concern regarding ground water contamination. but are not aiding in the solution. He also felt that it is very necessary to have proper monitoring of the wells in Ihe area. If there Is proper monitoring It can be documented if the problem is coming from another area and migrating down onto the Rodeffer property. Commissioner Hedlund thought the EIR should address the possibility of considering this and other similar sites for ground water storage. They address that the drainage will be carried off to the channels. but do not address what the possibility is ofthis.belng used for water storage? Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27. 1988 Page 1 0 ~- . . . Chairman Papay commented that what you are seeing there on thesile now is where the water table really is. Mr. Woolard stated that water can't be added, because it flows out. Chairman Papay explained that the waler percolates out. In other words if you It}' to fill the quarry up to Ihe surface and turn It into a lake, Ihe more water you put in, It will just flow horizontally out of those areas because it is pervious material. He further remarked that since Iheyare going to be paving the surface and Ihey are going 10 be taking care of the run off, they should direct the run off into the San Gabriel River where they have the relention basins. In this way the water would be percolaling down into the same acuifer. Commissioner Hedlund said that Ihe report menlions that it retains precipitation and the run off goes to other storage facilities such as Whittier Narrows, but that's not to say that in the years to come there Isn't.going to be the requirement for more storage than what we have. He fellthat this needs to be more clearly addressed. Chairman Papay noted thatin regards to land use the alternatives should be addressed on what else can be done. Commissioner Hedlund asked if the report states that the traffic will be from the freeway. Commissioner Clark.thought that it would be worth exploring directing Ihe truck access in and out of the site towards the 605 Freeway 10 keep the traffic out of the neighborhood. Mr. Woolard remarked that generally, most of the traffic would be off the freeway. He noted, however, thaI you will have some coming on the surface slreets, if there are projects within the area generating that inert material. Every time you get a condo thaI doe!l subterranean parking, you're going to get some dirt that's going to need to go somewhere. The object is to nOI have people take a cut-off in Ihe 1-10 and drive Ihrough EI Monle or Arcadia. Maybe what we need to have is some clarification of ihetruck component and iI's impacl during the fill period. Commissioner Amato tell that when they say operation will begin al 7:00 a.m., they are going to start working at 6:00 a.m. They are going to start coming in at 6:00 to get there by 7:00 and you're going to .have about 3 times the flow of traffic coming Ihrough there. Chairman Papay remarked that maybe then Ihelandflllshould open at 8:00 a.m. One other comment in the traffic area. I Ihought was particularly important, page 111-35 below that sel of tables, it said "at the time that the landfill is completed, and the quarry reclaimed for further developmenl, (i.e. the year 2010), the City of Arcadia will have the opportunity to review any plans for the use of Ihe sites since a new c.u.p. Will be required. At that time a more. precise estimate traffic impacts can be made." Commissioner Hedlund said the report should address not just the dusl but the mess that the trucks make on the streets when they come out of the dump, if it rains that day, they drag dirt all the way down Ihe road, as well as dirt is spilled on the roads. Chairman Papay commented Ihat in regards 10 air emissions, lot of things happen,ing. He didn't see addressed the subjecl of air emissions from anyprojecls which might be buill in Ihe year 2010. This should be considered. In regard to Noise on table 16, on page 111-59, it is a good approach talking about the walls and the buffer at the property line. it really reduces the noise Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27. 1988 Page 11 . . impact. This is where I had that specific commenl about the 5:00 p.m. closing, does this just involve the trucks or does it mean the complele. operation. I think this will have an impact in terms of noise. In regards to-Public Services and Ulilities it would be in EI Monte's best interest to hook up the sewers on the south side for the period of time it takes to complele the fill. Mitigation measure number 11, page 73 .talks about percolation lests for the septic system. It seems 10 me Ihat it would be in EI Monte's best interest to work out a deal with Arcadia. Mr. Woolard said Ihat EI Monte is concerned aboul capacity, so, obviously in the future when you get to the ultimate development you'd have to actually pump the sewage backuphill into Arcadia in the Peck Rd. area then go back down the same lines that go through EI Monte. Obviously it is in the best interest of everybody to cooperate and to go through EI Monte. 10 allow sewage flow down hill like il normally would, but that may not be an alternative. Chairman Papay said that il is clear that you're not going to use septic tanks on a large projecl bui what this says is to use septic tanks on the south properties is a real possibility and I think it is a shame to do that. MATTERS FROM COUNCIL None ~ .. .. .. .. .. - .. _".. .. .. _,_ - .. .. .. .. - - .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 'W .. .. .. .. .. .. .. MATTERS FROM COMMISSION None MATTERS FROM STAFF None .. .. .. .. .. - _"_ .. .. .'w _ .. .. .. .. .. _ .. .. .. .. .. .. .. _ .. .. .. .. _ .. .. _,_ ADJOURNMENT 10:15 p.m. /". .fl " /J ..., '. ,. /~. . I' / ~ 1 ...,. J IIjU:.;.~.,/~7.. / .A IJ f7 "1///;/J/ _ Secretary, Arcadia Planning Commission - -- Arcadia City Planning Commission September 27, 1988 Page 12