HomeMy WebLinkAboutMARCH 10, 1998 (2)
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Arcadia City Planning Commission
Tuesday, March 10, 1998
7:15 p.rn. in the Council Chambers
Planning Commission proceedings are tape-recorded and on file in the office of the Community
Development.Division,
.PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The,Planning Commission of the City of Arcadia met in regular session on'Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at
7: 15 p,m, in the Council Chambers of the City of Arcadia, at 240 W, Huntington Drive with Chairman
John Murphy presiding, '
ROLL CALL:
PRESENT: Commissioners Bell, Bruckner, Huang, Kalemkiarian, Sleeter, Murphy
ABSENT: None
OTIIERS ATIENDING:
Mayor Robert Harbicht
City Attorney Michael Miller
Community Development Administrator Donna Butler
Assistant Planner William Stokes
Secretary Silva Vergel
SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS
Ms, Butler distributed two letters that were submitted regarding T A 98-001,
TIME RESERVED FOR THOSE IN TIIE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS lHE PLANNING
COMMISSION ON NON-PUBLIC HEARING MAnERS (5 MINUTE LIMIT PER PERSON)
None
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MOTION
It was moved by Conimissioner Bruckner, seconded by Commissioner Huang to approve the
Minutes of January 271l>,
ROhL CALL:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
MOTION
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Commissioners Bell, Bruckner, Huang, Murphy
None
Commissioners Kalemkiarian, Sleeter
It was moved by CommiSsioner Sleeter, seconded by Commissioner Huang to approve the
Minutes of February 10th. .
ROLL CALL:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
Commissioners Bell, Huang, Kalemkiarian, Sleeter,Murphy
None
Commissioner Bruckner
2, PUBLIC HEARING TM52497
907-913 Sunset
Engles Shen
Consideration of a tentative map for a 5-unit condominium 'project,
The staff report was ,preseI!ted and the public hearing was opened,
Engles SheD, 600 W.Main, Alhambra, the engineer of the project was present, He stated they are in
agreementwith all of the conaitions in the staff report.
No one else spoke in favor of or in opposition to this item.
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Bruckner, seconded by Commissioner Bell to close the public
hearing. The vote passed by voice vote with none dissenting,
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Kalemkiarian, seconded by Commissioner Sleeter to approve
TM 52497 subject to the conditions in the staff report,
ROLL CALL:
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bell, Bruckner, Huang, Kalemkiarian, Sleeter, Murphy
None
Chairman Murphy noted that there is 'a ten-day appeal period, Appeals are to. be filed by Friday, March
20th.
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3, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING MP 97-009
401 E, Santa Clara
Mr, Dennis Stout for Extended Stay America
Consideration of a modification for a 50' -O'~ high free-standing sign in lieu of 25' -0" maximum
height allowed,
The staff report was presented,
Ms. Butler indicated thatthe developer was aware of the sign codes when they began the project, Staff
has not conducted a study regarding signs but will do so at the direction of the Planning Commission or
the City Council. She anticipated that this SWdy would take approximately two months, Staff already
has some information from cities to the east'of Arcadia. The cities of Duarte and Monrovia have their
commercial corridor on the freeway, whereas, Arcadia has only a small portion, The other hotels that
are not on the freeway have expressed interest in having identification along the freeway, The City
would like to give attention to all the hotels thatarein the City.
Commissioner Huang thought that it would be.a good idea to develop a policy. He did not want to hold
up this applicant and asked if staff would have a definite date that they could return with a policy and if
ESA agreed they would continue this hearing to another date,
Ms. Butler responded that it would take a long time to go through a text amendment, which would
require public hearings before both the Planning Commission and the City Council. If the text is
amended and ESA complied then a public hearing would.not be necessary, A public hearing would only
be scheduled if they needed a modification, Ati:his point, staff does notfeel that there is cause that it .
meets any of the findings that are necessary to make for a modification to the code,
Commissioner Bruckner Said given the limited frontage, there is a potential for several of these types of
signs along the freeway, He thought there would be a greater opportunity to create a "hospitality
district" that would tie in the different businesses together for a bigger concept. A sign that would
identify the different restaurants and hotels in the area instead of each business having their own sign,
He thought creating. a sign ordinance would be setting,the City up for having a series of similar types of
signs. But if $ere is one sign and 'a series of directional and identity signs creating a district, he thought
everyone would prospet.
Ms, Butler replied that this concept was discussed with Monrovia at a recent meeting and a variety of
names identifying the area were considered, They are presently exploring the idea.
The public hearing was opened.
Dennis Stout, 871 N. Maple, Orange, said that ESA would like freeway visibility, At staffs request,
they have redesigned this sign eight times already, The proposal before the Planning Commission is'per
the direction of staff, The double sign supports is twice the cost.of a regular sign and they are willing to
go with that He felt that they have gone through a lot of expense for nothing. They have tried many
differentthings to accommodate the City such as color and style of text. They are forced to ask for this
modification due to the topography of the land and if the berm and trees were different they would not
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be going through this process. ~e land was more level they WOUld! a monument sign and they
. would not be here today but due to circumstances beyond their control they are forced to ask for this
modification,
He went on to say that a multi-tenant sign is a good idea but noted that the City has been discussing it
for the past two years and an agreement still has not been reacheli, He thought it would be difficult to
agree on a cooperative freeway sign (CFS) and wondered who' would be paying for it or in charge of the
design, Timing is a problem and although a CFS could be a good idea, ESA will be without
identification until one is designed and agreed upon by all the users. Their circumstances are special and
unique and he did. not think that approval would set a precedent He felt strongly that they meet the
requirements for approval, He urged the Planning Commission to approve the sign.
No one else spoke in favor of or in opposition to this item.
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Bruckner, seconded by Commissioner Bell to close the public
hearing. The motion passed by voi'ce vote with none dissenting,
CommissioilerKalemkilirian felt that this is an important issue that could change the character of the
City, The code should address this type of a project. This needs serious study. He wanted to move to
deny this project, He liked the idea of having a "hospitality sign".
Commissioner Bruckner felt he could second the motion and went oil to say that he did not think having
a series of signs would be in keeping with the character of the City. He felt they needed a
comprehensive view of signage in this m:ea with possibly one sign that would identify the area, He
wanted to encourage that direction rather than a sign code change.
In response to Commissioner Bell's question, Ms, Butler explained the process for text amendment.
ChairmanMwphy felt this is an,important issue and-,they should do the right thing even if it takes along
time because any sign there would be there for a long time. He felt they need to give staff time to come
up with design guidelines,
Ms, Butler said that if they decide to continue'the hearing, it must be conti~ued to a date certain butshe
was unable to tell them when they staff'could return with guidelines. She noted that the applicant might
want a decision tonight that they can appeal to the City Council ,if they wish, If the direction by the
Planning Commission and City Council is to create guidelines and they comply, they would not need
Planning Commission approval. They can participate in ajoint sign venture that would not necessarily
need Planning Commission review.
Commissioner Huang said that.it appears to him that everyone is in agreement with a uniform signage
and if they deny the project, then that should be their basis rather than the aesthetics of the design, He
felt that if their decision is based on the policy or criteria rather than the sign, they would be punishing
this applicant by having them submit another appeal fee,
Ms, Butler said that if the Planning Commission is unable to make one of the following findings that this
would be an appropriate improvement, prevent an. unreasonable hardship or promote uniformity of
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development then thePlannin~ommission should deny this apPlicatn and there is no reason to
. continue it,
Mr, Miller said that if the Planning Commission decides to cOntinue the hearing, they should ask the
applicant if he is in agreement to a continuance because they could be taking away his rightto an appeaL
The applicant nodded in favor of denial, which would give them the opportunity to appeal the decision
to the City Council.
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Kalemkiarian, seconded by Commissioner Bruckner to deny MP
97-009 and find that the necessary fmdings cannot be made to grant a modification to allow a
50' -0" high sign at this location and that this sign is not in character with .the City and is
inappropriate for this area.
ROLL CALL:
AYES;
NOES:
Commissioners Bell, Bruckner, Huang, Kalemkiarian, Sleeter, Murphy
None
Chairman Murphy noted that there is a five working clay appeal period, Appeals are to be filed by
Wednesday, March 18th,
4, PUBLICHEARINUTA98-a01.
Consideration of a proposal to amend certain sections of the CBD zoning regulations primarily
relating to uses, signage and outdoor displays and amending the commercial sign regulations
relating to window signs and banners and adding sections relating to flags and portable signs.
The staff report was presented,
In response to a question. by Chairman Murphy, Ms, Butler said that the office building at the northwest
comer of Huntington Dr, and First would. never be required to have retail use, although, a retail use
would not be discouraged. The concern expressed.in the letters from. some of the property owners.is that
their properties were constructed for office uses, Throughout the years there were a mixture of uses.
With this amendment, they would not be abie to have any use that was other than retail in the front 1/3
of the building, Presently, they could not even have a photography studio because 75% cif their receipts
are not derived from retail sales. These property owners are asking for flexibility to be able to lease to
something other than retail - such as consumer type uses, Some of the buildings on Huntington Dr, were
clearly not built and intended for a retail use, The 1/3 is considered from the frontage from the street
and going back.
She went on to say that the intention is to create a pedestrian friendly atmosphere where people will
enjoy walking in the area. Adult entertainment uses are not permitted in this area,
Commissioner Bruckner wondered if.drive"in facilities would be permitted and noted that these types of
uses interrupt pedestrian walkways,
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Ms, Butler responded that some of the streets that are zoned CBD do not have the same character.
Outdoor dining is permitted as part of the CUP process and would not have to be stated separately on the
application, She indicated that travel agencies would be considered as an office use due to the 75% rule,
thus, this use would not be permitted within the front 1/3 of the building, With regard to the sign code,
she stated that what is in the CBD zone are exceptions to the sign regulations, They are over and above
what is allowed. Staff attempted to clean up the code and eliminate the inconsistencies. However,
temporary and portable signs have been addressed.
The public hearing was opened.
Garland Roberson, 134 E,HuntingtonDr-., Sullivan Paints, also President of the ABA, spoke in favor of
the proposed text amendment. He remarked that there are some property owners who are not in favor of
this text amendment He read a letter from Mr, Ed Sullivan who resides in Washington and is the
property owner for 142-144 E, Himtington Dr., is the trustee for the properties 9-i3 and 134 E,
Huntington Dr, The letter in'part stated his agreement with the proposed text amendment,
Mr, Sullivan remarked that it would be impossible to please everybody, A lot of money has been spent
on the downtown and,as a result there are only three pieces of property left for lease on First Ave, The
farmer's market is coming in March and they are very hopeful with the results that it may produce,
They are happy to see that Santa Anita will be moving forward with development, and feel that the
downtown area will benefit and get some of thefall out business,
He went on to say that something positive will eventually happen on Huntington Dr, A change must be
made otherwise they will be moving backwards, It would be senseless to turn around and go back to the
way things were. First Ave. is Dot that busy mainly due to the ratio of retail VS, office uses, It is more
beneficial for property owners to lease to office space because there is much more risk involved with
leasing to a retail use, Retail uses in this area are in need of a boost.
Carol Walker, real estate agent representing Ms. Faye Stabler, who is the property owner of 32-34 E,
Huntington Dr" read a statement from Ms. Stabler, which in part stated that the Planning,Commission
should consider that the retail only in the front 1/3 ofthebliilding.is too restrictive, With ,this. regulation,
retail is not being regulated in but other fine businesses are being regulated out There is only one
building on Huntington Dr. that is suited to sharing retail with other uses and that is the arcade type
building on the south side of Huntington Dr, Monrovia has.eased up on their regulations and brought in
foot traffic on Myrtle by encouraging consumer services such as travel agencies and other businesses
that would bring in foot traffic in their downtown, Huntington Dr, an~ First Ave. cannot be considered
in the same category for business, This was evident at the Downtown 2000 celebration when visitors
were on First Ave. and none on Huntington Dr, Ms, Stabler wondered if other areas of the city have the
retail only limitation and was it successful?
Ms, Walker stated that she has been marketing this property for approximately 6-months and there has
been only one retail use who was interested. Gingis Tuxedo wanted to lease this space but they wanted
Ms, Stabler to invest approximately $50,000 to turn it into a retail looking establishment. To date,there
have been no retail uses proposed for this property and they have turned away 4 potential tenants that
were office uses such' insurance, mortgage lender.
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David Chang, the property 0" for the property at the northeast 4 of Huntington Dr, and First
Ave. expressed concern with tilr"proposal, He feared that he would have to evict his tenants and if they
left he would have a difficult time getting tenants, He thought this change is unfair and felt any business
that wants to come to the area should be welcomed.
Ms, Butler explained that existing uses are "grandfathered" and would be considered legal non-
confonning and could continue to operate as long as they are in existence, If ownership of a business
changed, that use could continue to operate, If a non-confonning Use becomes vacantJor more than 90-
days and the property owner or the tenant operating the store who has vacated the store but is hoping to
release it to someone else, filed a letter with the City Council, the City Council can extend the period of
non-confonningtime. A5 long as it continues to operate in that fashion, there would not bea problem.
If it becomes vacant for more than 90 days and no request is filed to extend the time period then if a
similar use wanted to comein they would have to comply with current code.
Mr, Chang was extremely' concerned with what Ms, Butler explained.
No one else spoke in favor of or in opposition to this item,
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Bell, seconded by Commissioner Huang to close the public
hearing. The motion passed by voice vote with none dissenting,
Commissioner Huang was in favor of the recommendations: made by staff,
Commissioner Kalemkiarian was disturbed with the proposal and was not convinced that the 1/3 rule is
the way to go,
Ms, Butler explained thatthe existing code was modeled by UDS who was the City's consultant that
specialized in downtowns to come up with codes that are currently existing, They took a model
ordinance and modified it to meet the City' s-requirements which is very limiting,
Commissioner Bell remarked that originally there wasn't much retail on First Ave, and they tried to
remedy that situation, The 1/3 requirement might be a little difficult in the beginning but it will improve
and eventually have a snowball affect By not maintaining the 1/3 retail it will continue to be the same
and people will go somewhere else to shop, She realized that this might be difficult for some property
owners but was confident that itwould take some time to-improve.
Ms, Butler said tbatthe current regulation has been in effect since June 1996,
Commissioner Kalemkiarian felt that how a building was originally constructed and what it is best
suited for is subjectiveJor the property owner,
Ms, Butler said that the back portion of Ms, Stabler's property is currently set up for office uses but the
front has been used as retail, because it has afuIl window display, Looking back at the old pennits it
bas been used for various uses the last one of which was a retail use, She noted that an option would be
to apply for a CUP for an office use, There are some consumer uses that generate a lot of walk-in traffic
such as travel agencies, tailors, shoe repair stores and possibly those could be pennitted with a CUP,
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Commissioner Kalemkiarian said this could be a good idea, The objective is to bring people into
downtown with whatever it takes. Because they probably have never done so, a lot of small business
owners are scared of CUPs and the process that it involves, since they are probably not knowledgeable
of the process and he thought being flexible would be better. What has been proposed is too restrictive,
CommissiOiler Bruckner said that he felt the same way when they first started discussing this matter. At
that time he thought that Huntington Dr. should be distinguished from First Ave, because traffic is much
more and traveling much faster as opposed to First Ave, which is a local serving street. He was leaning
towardsstatl" s recommendation considering that the ABA is strongly in favor of it He thought the code
should be given more time and they can always amend it if necessary,
Commissioner Sleeter agreed and said to improve and bring in more retail uses then the regulation
should change to reflect that. They can always go backto the way things were but there may never be
an improvement, He thought they could add some of the consumer services that increase and bring in
foot traffic, He thought that would be a desirable addition and that many people think of travel agencies
and tailors as retail uses.
Commissioner Kalemkiarian said some consumer uses do generate a lot of foot traffic, He was
concerned that there were only 14. consumer services and he feared that item #15 with regard to any
other use that is deemed by the Planning Commission to be appropriate and referred back to his
comment regarding small businesses apprehensiveness of approaching the city,
Commissioner Huang left at 8:30 p,m,
Chairman Murphy thought they should be a little bit more flexible.
Ms, Butler replied that some cities do provide the flexibility of aj>plying for a CUP for a use'.that would
typically be allowed anywhere else other than Huntington Dr, and First Ave.
Commissioner Bruckner .did not think that requiring a CUP would be the right route to go and it should
not be considered, He also did not think that they have given the new regulations a chance,
Commissioner Kalemkiarian thought this is so restrictive that the buildings may never be occupied,
Chairman Murphy said the whole point of this is to increase business to make .downtown more friendly
to the residents of this community. He thought they have spent a lot of time and effort to come up with
what is before them, With regard to, signs,.he suggested that they include language similar to one that is
in existing 9262.4 which discusses allowable area for identification with regard to English and non-
English, Ris concern was that without addressing that these signs could be in any language,
Ms. Butler explained that in the CBD zone it specifically states all signs are restricted, In the .CPD and
C-l zone it is limited to certain signs and does not apply to banners or portable signs,
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Bruckner, seconded by Commissioner Bell to recommend
approval ofTA 98-001 to the City Council with the following amendments:
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]. That drive-.in facilities and restaurants/eating establishments be excluded from Huntington
Dr, and First Ave:
2, The citywide sign regulations are applicable to window signs, banners, portable signs,
ROLL CALL:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Conunissioners Bel~ Bruckner, Sleeter, Murphy
COIllmissioner Kalemkiarian
CoIllmissioner.Huang
NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS
4, RESOLUTION NO. 1561
A resoiution of the Planning Commission of the City of Arcadia, California, granting CUP 98-
002 to operate an eating establishmentwith seating for 15 patrons at 1 W. Duarte Rd., #H,
MOTION
It was moved by Commissioner Sleeter, seconded by Commissioner Kalemkiarian to adopt
Resolution No, 1561 and formally affirm the decision of February 10lh and the vote thereon,
ROLL CALL:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT
ConunissionersBeIl, Bruckner, Kalemkiarian,Sleeter, Murphy
None
Commissioner Huang
Ms, Butler read the title of the resolution,
RESOLUTION NO, 1562
A cresolution of the Planning Commission of the City of Arcadia, California, conditionally
approving Modification Committee 98-007 to add animation to the two electronic message
boards at the Santa Anita Race Track,
Ms, Butler read the title of the resolution,
MOTION
it was moved by Commissioner Kalemkiarian, seconded by Commissioner Sleeter to adopt.
Resolution No, 1562 and formally affirm the decision of February 10lh and the vote thereon,
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AYES:
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ABSENT:
Commissioners Bell, Bruckner, Kalemkiarian, Sleeter,Murphy
None
Commissioner Huang
Chairman Murphy noted that there isa five working day appeal period after the adoption of the resolution,
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Appeals are to be filed by Wednesday, March 18 .
MATTERS.FROM CITY COUNCIL
MayorHarbicht thanked the Planning COmmission for all their effort.and time that they spent on TA 98-
001. He informed the Planning Commission that the Landmark Development, the shopping center
where Kinko's is located in, is'fUlly leased and on a few occasions when he has visited the site it has
been diffictilt for him to fmd parking, He thought that is a good indication that the economy is turning
around which in turn would.have a positive affect on the City,
He stated that Santa Anita has refiled their application for development on their property and the
Planning Commission will soon be. reviewing the project,
MATTERS.FROM PLANNING COMMISSON
None
MODIFICATION COMMITTEE MEETING ACTIONS
Chairman Murphy recapped the actions taken by the Modification Committee,
MATTERS FROM STAFF
1. CITY COUNCIL ACTONS
2, UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS
3, Planning Commission's April14tb meeting
Ms. Butler introduced Mr, Penman, the new Deputy City Manager, Dev, Serv, Dir., who was in the
audience. She recapped the upcoming projects before the Planning Commission, She remarked that
Planning ' Commission April14ih meeting will have to be rescheduled, due to elections and the Planning
Commission asked that it be moved to Wednesday, April I Sfu,
ADJOURNMENT
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