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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMARCH 12, 1963 , , ROLL CALL MINUTES CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING R - 3 Zoning MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION, ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA REGULAR MEETING March 12, 1963 The Planning Commission of the City of Arcadia, met in regulor session on Morch 12, 1963, at 8:00 a'clock P. M. in the Council Chomber, City Hall, Arcodio, C"lifornia. The pledge of allegiance was led by Commissioner Porker Commissioners Ferguson, Kuyper, Norton, Parker and Forman OTHERS PRESENT: City Councilman Jess Balser City Attorney James A. Nicklin 'Aiijstant City Engineer Frank Forbes Planning Director William Phelps Planning Technician Ernest Mayer, Jr. The minutes of the meetings of February 13 ond February 26, 1963, were approved as written. The praposed amendments to Arcadia Municipal Code, governing apartment house develop- ment as pr~ented before the Commission in publ ic hearings prior to th is date was orally presented by the Planning Director. The City Attorney had been instructed toformulate the thinking of the Commission and the Department into 0 draft of the ordinance. The rough draft was present. The City Attorney advised that this had been prepared for s~dy purposes only and thot from this draft 0 more comprehensive outline could be made to incorporate these into resolution form. The matter was continued until the next regular meeting of March 26, 1963, at which time o draft of a resolution would be present3d by the City Attorney. Copies of this droft would be forwarded to eoch Commissioner in advonce of the meeting so that some study and thought could be given it prior to the consideration at the Commission level, The Chairman stated that the publ ic hearing had not been closed and if any desired to be heard they may be at this time. Mrs. Lois Anderson, 1024 Arcadia Avenue, requested further information as to the planting strip on each side of the driveway and the side. She felt this was exhorbitant, es:pecially in view of the foct thot there were many 70 ft, lots within the city. The Chairman stated this question had orisen in previous meetings ond provisions had been set up where it could be modified if these conditions could not be met. The preliminory review would be submitted ta the Planning Department and if the conditions can not all be met the applicant can file 0 modification application. The Modification Committee is empowered to make minor modificotions on lots where it is impossible to meet the code. Mrs. Mary Mcintosh, 800 Arcadia Avenue felt that the properties being discussed applied to West Arcadia that the requirements could not possibly apply to the 50 foot lots in the eastern portion of the city. Some of the lots could not be developed under the present concepts. Consideration. would have to be mode for their development. March 12, 1963 Page One , MOTION LOT SPLIT L - 62 - 10 Extension of Time MOTION TRACT NO. 27992 Mr. Robert Carr, of the Park Real Estate Co. representing a property awner who had listed his property with them. He had discussed various matters with the Plonning Department and some thinking was with reference to height districts. He also felt that the study wos primarily to upgrade construction, but that the 2000 sq. ft, per unit and the increased size with the side setbacks, etc. would tend to create difficulties that would prevent constructian and would in many cases deter sales of real estate. The Chairman stated thot the present consideration wos bosed on one ond two story develop- ments. If higher apartments are constructed it may be necessary to set up specific regula- tions for the apartments exceeding two stories. Moved by Commissioner Nor.ton, seconded by Commissioner Kuyper, and unanimously carried that the public hearing on the R-3 zoning regulations be continued until the next regular meeting. A communicotion had been received from the Miller - Price Development Co., requesting on extension of time to complete the requirements for a lot-split - L - 62-10 - granted Apr.il 2, /962. They were requesting this extension inosmuch os a subdivision is being considered in the area which would provide Wistaria Avenue with an access to Lemon Avenue. If this lot split were to be developed it would prevent this subdivision. Therefore, additional time is needed in order to obtain the property needed to extend the street and provide the access. Moved by Commissioner Norton, seconded by Commissioner Ferguson, and unanimously corried, that on extension of time of one yeor be granted Miller-Price Develapment Co. on Lot Split No. L - 62 - 10. Tentative mop of twenty lot subdivision proposed between Tenth Avenue and the Flood Control channel, north of Camino Real was again considered. This tract wos referred to the Subdivision Committee at the meeting .of February 13. There has been no change in the map. Communications hal been received from property owners ond interested porties both forond against the proposed subdivision. PROPONENTS: H. W. Pinkston, 1333 S.outh 10th Avenue Mr. and Mrs. T. San Filippo, 1323 South lOth Avenue Flora B. Adema, 1407 South 10th Avenue Mr. and Mrs. Wayland Lowther, 1409 South lOth Avenue Darrell K. Clingman, 1411 South 10th Avenue OPPONENTS: Sydney L. Mason, State President, Equestrian Troils Inc. North Mansfield Ave., Los Angeles 56, Mr. William Hoegee, 1813 South 8th Avenue, Area Trail Coordinator Equestrion Trails, Inc. Charles W. Covell, Jr. Arcadia Mounted Police, P.O. Box 771 Arcodia, Calif. Petition signed by 25 property owners (man and wife). Morch 12, 1963 Page Two . . . Commissioner Norton stoted thot this hod been referred to the Subdivision Committee opproximatelya month ago and the developer to evaluate this proposed development. Several items were discussed, one of which was if this tract could be developed in on orderly monner both to the north and to the south, with ingress and egress. Also a di~- cussion as to whether or not some type of development could be mode whereby equestrions could still occupy the area. In essence to develop the property on the basis for consider- ation for property owners who were involved in the equestrion octivities. The subdividers at this time fel t that both were reosonable requests ond the extension of time was based on these two specific items. At this time there hos been no deviation on the plans and it was the subdivider's request that it be placed on the agenda for further consideration even though the 90 day extension of time was signed. The originol Staff Report was re-read by Ernest Mayer, Jr. Mr. Vernan Jones, Engineer of the Hillcrest Engineering Co. stated thot they were in accord with all of the recommendotions outl ined in the Staff report and would prepare maps accordingly. A study of the extension of the tract to the north and to the south waS made and found it was impossible to proceed to the south at this time; olso the unit to the north. They are proposing to put in one unit of 0 three unit development. The street will be 845 feet long. Other development within the city has been done "piece-meal", They are only asking for that which has been done in the past. He quoted a number of tracts that hod been recently appraved in this manner. Bruce Kitchen, 1516 South 8th Avenue, Arcadia, one of the developers:r.stated that not one of the properties under considerotion would el iminate horses. Mony people who had entered into the development still hod horses or were relocating elsewhere in order to maintain them. As it now stands, riders would have to poss over private property to ride olong the wash. If the tract is approved, the subdividers would be willing to provide access on each end to provide entrance to the properties abutting the wash. He fel t that ch ildren could ride down the new street instead of Tenth Avenue. He also stated that a present these children are riding bicycles to school on the street right-of-way and he felt thot it was safer for them to be on a horse rather thon a bicycle. He also stoted that it was not economicolly feasible to develop the property in a ranch type development where horses would be permitted on the individual lots. James A. Wilson, 9100 Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, one-hC!lf owner, stated it must be considered thot this property could be fenced and thereby deny the horses from passing over this property. He felt that this subdivision would not affect the equestrions one way or another. He felt they had complied with all the requirements made of them, ond that under the Code they had developed a subdivision in a normoll11anner. The stoff has approved or recommended approval and they felt it was a very good loyout for the area. They had contacted the owners to the north and to the south ond they are not willing to relinquish any of their property. It is not economicolly feosible to develop the property in 0 ranch type design. The people who ride horses in this area are trespassing at the present time. The actual riding troil is on the west side of this channel ond this property is located on the eost side. He felt thot nothing had been said pertaining to the property owners who now own the property under consideration. Most of them are elderl y who have purchosed the property and cannot afford to maintain it, they can now moke a nice profit on their land and still retain their homes. Thought should be given to these facts. The City if known as "A City of Fine Homes", and the developers intend to build fine homes in this orea. The homes would overage 1200 to 1800 sq. ft. ond would be in the areo of $28,000 to $32,000 retail. March 12, 1963 Page Three . . , Mr, Jack Tallan, 1207 South Tenth Avenue felt the subdivision was nat in the best interests af the community. He felt the developers were taking the most economicallond in the area and providing the maximum amount of housing. He stated the street should come in from Camino Real and com e out obove the proposed street to Tenth Avenue. Mrs. Ademo of 1507 South Tenth Avenue has owned the property for many years and has never complained about the horse people using the rear portion to cross over. They have used 0 portion for a training ring. She understand there is a school in the area for teaching smaller children to ride. She is now faced with the problem of either fencing the property or obtoining insurance. They can still use the street. She cannot use her patio because of the dust. No one has ever asked permission to use the property for this training ring. She felt they were overstepping in trying to prevent this development. Mr, De Maio, 45 W. Longden Avenue, owner of the property at 1435 South Tenth Avenue has tried to sell his property, He had made it known that horses could be kept on the lat. He hod removed an aid house ond cleared it of trees ond debris. He had olso removed the fences so that the children could cross over with their horses. He now hod on oppartunity of selling a portion of the lot. With the type home he desire s to build, it would be over- ~~i1ding in the area at the present time. He fel t the development should be permitted. The rear lots of many of the parcels should be cleored. Some horses are being boarded in the area. The Choirman stoted that it was not the purpose of the Commission to debote the question of horses; they were ottempting to make a decision on 0 subdivision. If the lots meet the requirement of the code a certain obligotion is on the Commission to make a decision. Commissioner Porker stated the plan had the opproval of the Planning Department and it is found that it would be on asset to the City ond an injustice would be done to the property owners and the subdividers to not pass favorably on it. In the past it has been the attempt to have the street extended. This could be done, but in some instances it tokes time. The Commission could not demand that this be done os one unit. He.is sympathetic to the equestrians. Commissioner Ferguson stated thot the Commission had an application for a troct which would have to be looked at as normal business. This tract map applies most of the require- ments usually applied to subdivisions; this is not terminating in a cul-de-soc but rather the intent to develop further to the north and to the south. From this ttandpoint the tract complied to the subdivision requirements. The people who have the land and desire to develop jit should have the right to do so. Commissioner Kuyper felt the length of the street and the possibility of developing the balance were of concern to thim. He felt the discussion relative to horses does not have much beoring on this problem. He felt that it might be difficult to extend the tract either north or south. He felt the subdivision did not do what he would like to see in the development of Tenth Avenue. There were many lorge lots with small houses ond he would , like to see Jenth Avenue, proper be developed on the street side rather thon the rear lots. Commissioner Norton felt the subdivision was not an orderly development for the orea. He felt that in the past subdivisions had been approved with the future development anticipated of extending the street. He felt in this area it was going to be very difficult and also that the occess to the tract should be from 0 northerly-southerly direction. From the aerial map it is seen thot this ,would be very difficult to obtain. He thought the equestrian hod a right to be heardi that if it is the objective of the City of Arcadia to remove horses from the City, then this subdivision is 0 good way to start it;. that if the city intends to develop a recreational concept, as was shown by the joint meeting of the Plonning Commission ond the Recreation Commission, that this would be el iminating recreation rather than providing it for the citizens. Much money has been provided for the ocquisition and development of the riding ond hiking troil. He felt that this type of recreation is o part of this community ond 0 part of the Master Plan. Page Four MOTION REPORTS ANNEXATION NO, 30 CENTRAL AREA PLAN PUBLIC PARTICI- PATION ADJOURN- MENT v Commissioner Parker stated that Planning was a field in which one looks to the future and that there~ an interest in further develapment in this area and the full utilization of .the land. If this type of application is jeopardized, the ultimote orderly development of Arcadio is jeopardized. Moved by Commissioner Porker, seconded by Commissioner Ferguson, that the tentative tract map of Tract No. 27992 be recommended for approvol, subject to the conditions as outl ined in the Staff report. ROLL CALL: AYES: Commissioners Ferguson, Parker and Forman NOES: Commissioners Kuyper and Norton ABSENT: Commissioners Golisch and Michler The motion was not carried because of the three-.two vote, The subdivider had signed 0 waiver so that the time element prevailed. It did not of necessity need to go on to the City Council without recommendation; therefore, the matter will be continued until the next regular meeting of the Plonning Commission on March 26, 1963. The Planning Director presented 0 schedule of fees which hod been. ,considered by the City Council, setting up a chdge of fees to be chorged for the filing of'the various applications in the Planning Department. The City Council had instructed the City Attorney to prepare an ordinance to be considered at the next regular meeting of the City Council. The change was based on 0 survey made by the Planning Department of various cities comparable with the City of Arcodia, with the County of Los Angeles and with the Regional Planning Commission. Property owners within the boundaries of Annexation No. 30, east of Peck Road, had requested the Planning Commission to reclassify the property recently annexed. The City Attorney was instructed to prepare a resolution setting a time for hearing on the reclassi- fication of the property located east of Peck Road. This resolution will be considered ot the next regular meeting of the Commission. The Consultants for the study of the Central Area are nearing the completion of their study and have presented the prel iminary plan to the Central Land Owners Associotion and it was recommended by the Central Land Owners that a moratorium or restrict measure be placed on the property within this study area during the time that it required to adopt the plan and fix the necessary zoning. The Planning Commission requested the Planning Director to formulate a letter to the City Council requesting oction be taken to delay any construction or use not compatible with the Downtown plan. No one in the audience desired to be heard. The meeting adjourned at 11: 15 P. M, cV~~ WILLIAM PHELPS Planning Secretary ^"<.-.:(;:<-\ 1'2..\0.::;5 F'r,.<"'c. \"Iv ~